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Rendlesham forest incident didn't aliens

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flying saucer really standing in the

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clearing he turned over to my father and

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how you doing Alejandra I am doing well

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how are you good I've heard you've had

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some scorching heat out that way

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yeah you notice I haven't been

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mentioning the weather because I can't

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brag about the weather anymore most of

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the year I can brag and be like oh hey

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what's weather out there snowing huh

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bummer it's perfect out here yeah but no

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it was perfect weather up until a few

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days ago and I think that mother nature

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or whoever is in charge of

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the heat meter out there in the universe

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like just switched it on hardcore a

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couple days ago and we went from you

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know low 90s which may be hot in some

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areas but is not bad here it's like

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perfect up to 110 boom and we're now in

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the summer we're in the hotness and it's

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it's like the difference is is there's

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like no reprieve you can't go anywhere

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but inside to the AC because you walk

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into the shade and you know it's just

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less hot but it's still a hundred and

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plus so it's still very hot you're just

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out of the Sun so you're gonna survive

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for a few more minutes but then then a

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breeze is no reprieve at all at when

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that's was a shocking thing when I moved

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out here and experienced it when there's

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a breeze you're thinking oh this is

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gonna be nice a breeze in most places a

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breeze cools you down Noah breeze is

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just like a hairdryer yeah hot air

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furnace being blown on your face out

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here yeah so it is yep we're into the

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summer heat now so we're living that

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that life and inside looking out our

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windows that there still looks pretty

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but yeah you don't want to be out there

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for too long yeah you know it's it's it

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makes you wonder what they did you know

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50 years ago and in that area you know

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when there was no air conditioning yeah

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well you know I've been down to Tucson

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and the area what is at the okay Corral

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right yeah they wore a lot of clothes

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back then the big jackets the wool and

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I've been out there for like the

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anniversary of the shootout and

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everything and where they do the

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reenactment yeah I don't know how those

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actors were yes you've been out there

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let alone those people back then with no

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a/c I don't know how they did it and

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that he'd I mean it's amazing to me or

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you know there are lots of Native

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American tribes in this area oh yeah how

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they did it you know I think that they

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did stay inside most and and moved

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around mostly at night but

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they had little Earth's Hut's out here

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that they would build and your IIIi

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think of that often how the heck did

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people survive before AC yeah it must

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have been just getting used to you know

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I mean they're just a way of life more

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or less yeah like the Native Americans

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stuff like that

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well I think we're here to talk about

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UFOs oh okay yeah yeah I can talk about

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that too okay and is there anything

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going on no I did yeah there actually we

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do have some interesting stories okay so

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a couple of things here first of all you

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know one of the videos and it's a pretty

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video because that's one of the reasons

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I like talking about it

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but there's a little bit of controversy

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not everybody agrees about this video

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but this is an Ohio video that was taken

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recently and you know if you read the

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description these people sound very

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intelligent and the date their report is

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very well-written whereas many times

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they're not but this was May 27th in the

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town of Rudolph and this couple at about

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it's a object in the sky the wife said

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that her husband looked over his

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shoulder and said what the hell is that

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and they said they saw directly over

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them what appeared to be something very

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large but they described it like this

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they described it as a bright pulsating

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white light that changed to a faint

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glowing red light and then back to white

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and that this light was inside of a

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translucent square so the MUFON

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investigator who was Donovan Lee did

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some investigation and closed it as an

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unknown although he described this as

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the color being white but glowing to a

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reddish hue and he said it was it was

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like it was a burning flame well a

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burning flame inside of a translucent

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square to me sounds exactly like yeah it

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sounds like a Chinese lantern

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but he felt that it wasn't he felt it

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was being it was moving too slow to be a

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kite or a balloon and that too fast to

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be a plane he said it was not moving in

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the direction of the wind but win can

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change at different elevation so this

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person the investigator and others feel

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pretty confidently that it's not a

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Chinese lantern and I think you said you

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watch the video too and you goat that it

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was too hard to tell but the description

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very much sounds like one but it's a

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great I think it's a neat video I mean

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it's it's well done and and the

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aesthetics of the video are nice yeah

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now did anyone come up with the theory

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that it could be a red-nosed reindeer no

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it's not the season for that but all but

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right the county it's Rudolph well so I

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sorry I had to go there I don't know

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much about the town of Rudolph Ohio but

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I don't believe that the name has any

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you know history related to the

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red-nosed reindeer

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in fact I I know people get upset that

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we can be so skeptical on the show but I

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am one of those people who is very

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skeptical that Rudolph the red-nosed

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reindeer existed at all well you know

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there's no hard evidence no I think

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that's total mythology I just don't

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think that he is real yeah well you know

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I'm gonna get a lot of hate mail about

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this yeah thank you are I don't believe

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in Santa Claus never we're did either

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how about that they dropped a bomb yeah

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so there's another video though that or

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photos that are a little more

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interesting these are in from Grass

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Grass Valley California around the same

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time also late May and this was also

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later in the day although you can tell

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it there is daylight out the person said

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it was 7:30 p.m. this was May 28th so

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just a couple days after the other video

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they said they saw this object in the

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sky so they took some pictures of it

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actually this person also you know is

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very well written they seem very

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intelligent this person told their

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roommate hey look at that thing in the

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sky and it was a roommate who went and

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grabbed a camera and took some pictures

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and they took these pictures and they

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blew him up and they just couldn't tell

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what they were you know they they talked

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about how in a three of the pictures

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they got fuzzy objects and I feel that

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those are probably due to the camera

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being very out of focus however two of

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the pictures are very in focus but the

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object in each of the images is

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completely different one of them yeah is

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an oblong kind of a taller kind of thing

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almost like a lipstick bottle flying in

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the air or something like that and then

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the other one I don't even know how to

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describe this some kind of lampshade

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description yeah I just came up with

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that one and finally I came up with a

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description kind of a lampshade like the

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ones with the little balls hanging from

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the bottom like little poofy kind of

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fabric like pom pom little things and so

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but yeah they feel that this object

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changed shapes while it was flying along

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in the sky there so some interesting

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photos yeah you know that's that is

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really really strange but also not like

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something we haven't heard before you

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know right not a precedented yep I'm

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saying that they totally shift I don't

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want to say shape-shift but they do

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change like a formation and fade in and

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out and all that stuff you know yeah so

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they said that the light the intensity

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of the light you know increased and they

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felt it was reflecting light so the

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reflectivity increased and decreased so

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I guess that would be the possibility of

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balloons tumbling in the sky and in fact

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you know I think an amazing video a

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great video which we know was balloons

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actually was

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one posted by one of Jaime mousse ons

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guys oh so this is what happened this is

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how it happened with me I might have

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told you this story I don't know has to

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do with Ruben Uriarte who's a MUFON

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investigator in California who also does

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work in Mexico but they went out with

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Jaime and their crew and they in Mexico

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City and they were way far away and they

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launched a set of balloons and they were

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going to videotape them from this

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rooftop well one of the guys sees the

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vid the balloons he's like oh my gosh he

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starts filming it and then they told him

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those aren't that's not a UFO those are

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balloons we we launched those so we can

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film them to see what they look like so

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we can match him up against some of the

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other videos this is where a TV show do

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you have like a pet squirrel or

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something

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no I'm hearing like little feet oh sorry

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I it might be the table hear me oh it

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could be yeah okay so this guy posted

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the video as a shape-changing UFO even

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though they had told him it was a

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balloon and so it went viral of course

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yeah and the video I mean really looks

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like a solid object changing shape it's

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pretty weird it's really the videos

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great it was really weird so I saw the

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video and because it was in Mexico I

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immediately got a hold of Ruben and I

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said hey have you seen this yet and he

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laughed he called me and he said oh my

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gosh he's like I can't believe that they

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posted this he's like these are the

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balloons we launched when we were in

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Mexico City and he knows that why is he

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posting this so and - Jaime's defense it

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wasn't Jaime who posted it it was one of

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the guys that works with him but yeah so

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balloons can look kind of weird although

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I'm not sure that's what this is because

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this does appear to be one solid object

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doesn't appear to be multiple but I

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don't know yeah we're a duck so I'm done

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well I think it's time to call it a

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night feed your squirrel and and we'll

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okay yeah talking sweet my invisible

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squirrel

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here yeah all right all right yep you

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have a great week and we will talk to

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you later

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all right thanks a lot so a little bit

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about our guest tonight Jeff Willis has

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been researching UFOs and related

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phenomena for over 25 years his initial

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interest in aliens didn't start with the

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simple UFO sighting he's been having

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sightings of UFOs and other odd

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experiences since 1975 in 1987 at the

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age of 17 he moved to Phoenix from

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Seattle with his family skywatching

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became his full-time activity after

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getting his video camera in 1995 he's

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been able to get over 250 hours of solid

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UFO video Jeff Willis was one of the

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co-creators of at the UFO trip it became

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the History Channel's UFO Hunters TV

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show his footage has been on featured

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and many programs including History

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Channel's ancient aliens Disney's race

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to Witch Mountain and Danny Aykroyd

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unplugged on UFOs and many more all

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right

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so hang in for the quick music break

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Jeff Willis hello yeah hey how you doing

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that's a great music intro I thought I

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was stuck inside of a Pink Floyd video

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or something that's by Carrie Lloyd

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Whitehouse he's a fan of the show he's

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in Ireland produces movies for music for

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movies and and he did some a bunch of

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music for us so yeah that was great

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yeah thanks Hey well welcome to the show

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first of all and we are not related by

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the way are for some reason your

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relatives decide to put an e in your

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last name right yeah where'd they go

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wrong right well yeah I know every time

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someone asked me you know what's your

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name you know and I tell them in there

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they try to you know they have to write

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it down for some reason they always

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spell it with an is instead of a yes it

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happens so first of all you are in

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Phoenix and I believe I saw you a couple

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years ago out there at the conference at

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the UFO Congress but how did you first

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get involved in the UFO topic to begin

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with

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what was your fascination well that

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happened from some experiences that I

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had and when I was about 5 years old in

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1975 it will you know start way at the

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very beginning I guess and what happened

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was as I was lying in bed about ready to

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go to sleep and I was the lights were

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turned off and the door was cracked open

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just a hair and as I was lying there

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about maybe 5 minutes later after I was

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lying there all of a sudden I felt

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something grabbed my hand and all of a

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sudden something was holding my hand now

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it felt like a regular person's hand as

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far as I remember and I wasn't

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immediately scared or startled because I

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thought maybe for I just you know you

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when you're a kid you you you know and

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when you're an adult you try to explain

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it away at first to try to come up with

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an explanation what is this so

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the first thought I had was my mom come

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in the room when I had my eyes closed

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and let's hold my hand for some reason

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like a lion lying there with me and then

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right after that immediate thought I saw

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her walk by the door on the outside of

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the door on the other side in the other

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room walking around and so once I saw

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that that's when I got scared and I

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gathered enough courage to as fast as I

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could

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reach over and turn on the lamp that was

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on the right hand side of the bed and so

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I did that as soon as I did in the light

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flood of the room the right the pressure

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released off my hand and there was

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nothing there at all absolutely nothing

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so at the very young age of like five or

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six years old I realized that there was

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something else besides the physical

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realm that we're all here and you know

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obviously there's something there

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something was holding my hand and

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they're not there when the lights turned

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on so this is something that is

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interfering into our world that we can't

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see obviously so I was brought into it

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at you know with questions at a very

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young age and how that progressed was

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when I went to kindergarten they decided

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to take the group the very first day of

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kindergarten they took a group of us to

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the the elementary school library which

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was a couple rooms down the hall and

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they were you know showing us all these

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books and you know now you're in this

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elementary school you can come here and

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check out books any day of the week and

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take them home and they they were like

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okay so why don't you guys all spread

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out and grab some books so you can we

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can check them out and you know you got

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to remember this was great kindergarten

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through sixth grade I believe and so

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they had older kids you know sixth grade

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or books and you know bigger words and

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stuff like that

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so I found I was looking through the

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entire library at a kindergartener and I

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come across a section of books that I

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just grabbed off the shelves I was like

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I got to know about this I mean because

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of the incident that happened before I

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came to the counter and I had a book

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called UFO photographs

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and it had the different saucer shapes

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that people have saw and another book

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was that I was trying to check out at

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the time was was a man it was called

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beyond Earth man's contact with UFOs and

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had some abduction cases in there I

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think the one the first one of the very

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first abduction cases was in the book

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was the Travis Walton case so that came

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later but also was featured in that book

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was a Betty and Barney Hill case which

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came you know 10 or 12 years prior prior

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the Travis Walton thing and so I also

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had a Bigfoot book I was trying to check

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out and so when I brought these books to

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the thing they looked at me and they're

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like you can't read these you're barely

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learning to read and these are like

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sixth grade books what are you trying to

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do why are you interested in this stuff

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and why are you trying to read this and

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basically i i i just told her i want to

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i wanted these books you know i want to

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check these books out so i brought him

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home and my parents were puzzled too

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they were like why do you want to know

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what this isn't and and i that was one

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of the first times i was able to ask the

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question i was i was like well well what

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is i want to know what a UFO is and i

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want to know what's inside of a UFO and

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you know please answer that question and

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and my mom was like well i don't know

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and maybe a robot i guess and that

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didn't really satisfy me so i was like

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and i want to know what was in my room

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you know the you know you know not too

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long ago a few months ago that was trent

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that was holding my hand and I asked her

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that the next morning I asked her what

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that was when it when the incident

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happened as well and she didn't have an

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answer for me she said it was probably a

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guardian angel or that was for that's

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what she said so that didn't really

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satisfy me either so I was asking again

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later and I had these books and I was

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trying to figure all this stuff out so

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that that kind of a long answered your

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question but that's basically how it how

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it started well I I that's probably a

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record for someone starting that young

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looking at UFO books I've never heard

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anyone that yeah that's amazing well

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what was weird is later on in life when

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the book the I think it was like

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you know some of the very first material

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to touch on some of the abduction cases

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and some of the commonalities among them

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was that book called missing time by

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Budd Hopkins which came out around 1980

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and I bought the book and I looked at it

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and read it and I was amazed to see that

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there was a lot of people in that book

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though that claim do we have abduction

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experiences where they all were seeing

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the same thing that was starting out

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when there were like five or six years

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old and it was like a common thread

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among a lot of them and I remember

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reading some of Whitley streamer's books

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later to that he said that he believed

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it has started around when he was like 5

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or 6 years old and so I was thinking is

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this a common thread where where the

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people are being contact or being

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contacted at that young of an age and

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and am i part of this group of people

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and you know all these questions led me

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to basically by almost every single UFO

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book on the subject I couldn't find or

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ever get my hands on and so I have this

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huge library of UFO books and I've read

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probably like 90% of them and you know

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my life my library hasn't gotten much

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bigger since 1995 when I got my first

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video camera to try to to videotape

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these things because out of all these

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books that I read in all of the UFO

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cases that I ever read about it never

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really told me the truth are they really

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here you know can I see it for myself

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or we're never gonna believe a book or

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someone's story unless we see it herself

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right so that was my next mission was to

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videotape them get them on tape to prove

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it to myself I mean there I already knew

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because of the contacts from you know

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the different incidences that I had that

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there was something that was trying to

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contact me or you know I've been

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physically touched by them so to speak

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and I know that there was something

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there so you know whether it was a ghost

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and alien whatever it was you know I

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want to know so it just basically drove

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me to the UFO subject because later on

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when I was about 7 years

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I saw a UFO which was like a triangle

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shaped UFO over the apartment complex

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that I lived at when I was seven and

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this was in broad daylight and there was

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three of them and I remember they were

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small they weren't like what you you

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know hear these reports of these huge

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triangles these were like smaller

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triangles service three of them and

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instead of flying like the point would

538
00:25:13,970 --> 00:25:10,530
fly in that direction first it was

539
00:25:16,370 --> 00:25:13,980
flying with the V like shape back it

540
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:16,380
looked like a backwards flying you know

541
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:17,610
what you would think would be flying

542
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:19,410
this way you know with the point in the

543
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:21,330
front it wouldn't it wasn't flying that

544
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:23,250
way it's pointing flying with the V in

545
00:25:27,530 --> 00:25:25,650
the front and so that's what startled me

546
00:25:29,270 --> 00:25:27,540
at first I thought it was an airplane

547
00:25:31,549 --> 00:25:29,280
and then when the three of them got

548
00:25:33,940 --> 00:25:31,559
closer I was like that's not an airplane

549
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:33,950
that's from that book that I had and

550
00:25:40,790 --> 00:25:38,640
that's one of those UFOs and so I you

551
00:25:43,790 --> 00:25:40,800
know was trying to relate the the

552
00:25:46,750 --> 00:25:43,800
experience in the bedroom with the UFOs

553
00:25:49,730 --> 00:25:46,760
that I saw to try to put those together

554
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:49,740
along with the books of telling people

555
00:25:53,660 --> 00:25:52,050
that you know in the book explaining

556
00:25:55,730 --> 00:25:53,670
that people have been contacted by these

557
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:55,740
UFOs and the beans Close Encounters of

558
00:26:00,200 --> 00:25:57,690
the Third Kind I'd already learned that

559
00:26:02,900 --> 00:26:00,210
phrase by the time I was seven which is

560
00:26:05,210 --> 00:26:02,910
the description of a UFO in close

561
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:05,220
proximity to a person within like 50

562
00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:06,480
yards or something like that

563
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:08,940
and yeah and they where they see beings

564
00:26:14,450 --> 00:26:11,760
outside the craft would you know so I

565
00:26:16,430 --> 00:26:14,460
was always from familiar with the lingo

566
00:26:21,020 --> 00:26:16,440
and all this stuff this young age and

567
00:26:25,370 --> 00:26:21,030
also I saw a what I can only describe is

568
00:26:27,230 --> 00:26:25,380
as a low UFO over some houses when I was

569
00:26:29,419 --> 00:26:27,240
10 years old and this UFO looked like a

570
00:26:31,700 --> 00:26:29,429
lot like you know the old New York City

571
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:31,710
water towers they lit like kind of

572
00:26:36,860 --> 00:26:34,650
cone-shaped and round with like a round

573
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:36,870
oval like you know like oval or round

574
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:38,970
shaped like a UFO on the bottom but with

575
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:42,960
a slight cone on the top and this was

576
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:45,210
just kind of wobbling over a house I was

577
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:47,970
come up on it over a hill with my bike

578
00:26:52,250 --> 00:26:49,890
and saw it hovering over house rocking

579
00:26:54,380 --> 00:26:52,260
back and forth and I watched it in

580
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:54,390
amazement for like what seemed like a

581
00:26:57,500 --> 00:26:56,880
while but it was only like probably like

582
00:26:59,450 --> 00:26:57,510
two

583
00:27:02,630 --> 00:26:59,460
minutes and then it just started taking

584
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:02,640
off over some trees nearby like it

585
00:27:06,770 --> 00:27:04,770
started flying in in a direction where

586
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:06,780
it went over a Greenbelt where there

587
00:27:11,300 --> 00:27:09,210
were some trees and I lost it because

588
00:27:12,860 --> 00:27:11,310
you know the trees eventually will cut

589
00:27:14,270 --> 00:27:12,870
you know you can't see it so I went down

590
00:27:17,270 --> 00:27:14,280
this trail looking for it

591
00:27:19,580 --> 00:27:17,280
and this is when I had my first missing

592
00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:19,590
time experience is after I went down

593
00:27:22,940 --> 00:27:21,150
that trail looking for this thing I

594
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:22,950
don't remember anything until like about

595
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:25,530
7:30 this happened about maybe 3 in the

596
00:27:27,980 --> 00:27:26,010
afternoon

597
00:27:30,620 --> 00:27:27,990
and I don't remember anything until

598
00:27:32,210 --> 00:27:30,630
probably like 7:00 at the next night I

599
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:32,220
remember of a skid and dark and I

600
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:33,570
couldn't find my bike like all of a

601
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:35,250
sudden I was on a trail and I couldn't

602
00:27:41,390 --> 00:27:39,360
find my bike and and and it was dark and

603
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:41,400
then I finally found it and I started

604
00:27:44,930 --> 00:27:42,930
writing home and when I got home my

605
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:44,940
parents I remember were mad because I

606
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:46,050
should have been home a long time ago

607
00:27:52,940 --> 00:27:50,090
and I couldn't remember I didn't really

608
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:52,950
you know look at it you know before

609
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:55,410
missing time was in the book UFO books

610
00:27:58,250 --> 00:27:56,730
and all that stuff you didn't really

611
00:28:00,260 --> 00:27:58,260
hear about it other than the Barney and

612
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:00,270
Betty hill case and maybe the Travis

613
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,450
Walton case but I wasn't really as much

614
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:05,520
familiar with those cases to really know

615
00:28:09,620 --> 00:28:07,110
what missing time was and I didn't

616
00:28:11,180 --> 00:28:09,630
really feel like you know I knew that

617
00:28:12,890 --> 00:28:11,190
there was some time passed and it was

618
00:28:14,930 --> 00:28:12,900
darker and I found my bike as when

619
00:28:16,220 --> 00:28:14,940
you're a kid you you don't really think

620
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:16,230
about that too much

621
00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:18,930
I did a little bit but then later on

622
00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:20,820
after I learned it was part of the UFO

623
00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:22,260
phenomenon that's when I really started

624
00:28:27,950 --> 00:28:24,510
focused on that was did I have missing

625
00:28:30,890 --> 00:28:27,960
time and it was so finally it was so

626
00:28:34,370 --> 00:28:30,900
finally cut into you know the regular

627
00:28:37,070 --> 00:28:34,380
time that you barely you know you barely

628
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:37,080
miss it you know maybe maybe it was only

629
00:28:40,450 --> 00:28:38,850
maybe an hour and a half or maybe two

630
00:28:42,770 --> 00:28:40,460
hours you know I don't know but I

631
00:28:44,780 --> 00:28:42,780
apparently I was late getting home and

632
00:28:47,060 --> 00:28:44,790
my parents weren't too happy about it

633
00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:47,070
yeah a lot of people talked about it

634
00:28:53,740 --> 00:28:49,500
being a retrospective that they look

635
00:28:55,970 --> 00:28:53,750
back and it takes a little bit of

636
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:55,980
looking back to realize that there was

637
00:29:00,590 --> 00:28:57,690
actually a missing time that's what

638
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:00,600
that's what I hear a lot on those cases

639
00:29:06,650 --> 00:29:04,080
so do you think the incident you had in

640
00:29:09,140 --> 00:29:06,660
the bedroom is what started your

641
00:29:10,430 --> 00:29:09,150
fascination with why you walk through

642
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:10,440
the library and grab those

643
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:11,700
or do you think you would have been

644
00:29:16,580 --> 00:29:15,120
having it was I think it was but it's

645
00:29:19,220 --> 00:29:16,590
hard to tell if I would have anyways

646
00:29:21,530 --> 00:29:19,230
because later on down the road I had a

647
00:29:23,870 --> 00:29:21,540
couple more bedroom experiences in the

648
00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:23,880
future but I was never able to actually

649
00:29:33,460 --> 00:29:27,960
see the face of what it was until just

650
00:29:40,370 --> 00:29:33,470
even like most recently I think about I

651
00:29:44,660 --> 00:29:40,380
would say was like about 2012 or 2013 I

652
00:29:47,270 --> 00:29:44,670
was finally able to look see the glimpse

653
00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:47,280
of the face of what this thing was and I

654
00:29:51,290 --> 00:29:48,710
don't know if it was the same thing that

655
00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:51,300
had come into the bedroom previous times

656
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:53,460
because I would I can count them on one

657
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:56,130
hand I probably had like five bedroom

658
00:30:01,280 --> 00:29:58,050
experiences that I can remember

659
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:01,290
well that I can know that I was like

660
00:30:06,020 --> 00:30:03,690
conscious when it happened type of thing

661
00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:06,030
you know where I can you know relate to

662
00:30:11,060 --> 00:30:08,520
it now who's to say that when they're

663
00:30:12,020 --> 00:30:11,070
when you're at your most deep asleep in

664
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:12,030
the middle of the night that they don't

665
00:30:15,410 --> 00:30:13,770
come and do something you know I don't I

666
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:15,420
don't know if that happened but I do

667
00:30:25,070 --> 00:30:18,240
remember the times that did happen and

668
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:25,080
what happened so what I saw before 2012

669
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:28,890
or 2013 was always a dark figure where

670
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:32,250
you can't see what it is for a split

671
00:30:38,090 --> 00:30:36,690
second before you like go into a missing

672
00:30:39,380 --> 00:30:38,100
time experience and then wake up and

673
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:39,390
nothing's there or wake up in the

674
00:30:42,770 --> 00:30:41,130
morning and then slightly remember all

675
00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:42,780
right before I went to sleep I remember

676
00:30:47,540 --> 00:30:45,480
seeing like some Dean standing at the

677
00:30:49,850 --> 00:30:47,550
foot of the bed one time I saw two of

678
00:30:52,690 --> 00:30:49,860
them standing at the foot of the bed but

679
00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:52,700
they don't but to fast forward to the

680
00:30:57,140 --> 00:30:55,110
2012-2013 incident was in the middle of

681
00:30:59,060 --> 00:30:57,150
the day like 12:00 in the afternoon I

682
00:31:01,730 --> 00:30:59,070
was feeling kind of tired so I laid down

683
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:01,740
for like a short nap and all of a sudden

684
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:03,840
I felt like what you know when you're

685
00:31:07,970 --> 00:31:06,090
lying on your stomach like if like I

686
00:31:09,710 --> 00:31:07,980
what you would feel if liked like a

687
00:31:12,530 --> 00:31:09,720
person put both of their hands on your

688
00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:12,540
back and start pushing and start pushing

689
00:31:17,180 --> 00:31:14,910
you onto the bed like pushing those like

690
00:31:19,490 --> 00:31:17,190
with force where you can feel somebody

691
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:19,500
pushing down on your back and I like

692
00:31:24,110 --> 00:31:21,690
that kind of like woke me up out of the

693
00:31:26,570 --> 00:31:24,120
sleep but I was like paralyzed I

694
00:31:28,460 --> 00:31:26,580
couldn't move at all and I can feel this

695
00:31:31,310 --> 00:31:28,470
pressure pushing me down further into

696
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:31,320
the bed and I was like well I can't move

697
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:33,690
I can feel somebody pushing on my back I

698
00:31:38,270 --> 00:31:37,050
don't know what this is and then I you

699
00:31:39,890 --> 00:31:38,280
know I thought that for just a second

700
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,900
and then all of sudden I related it back

701
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:41,760
to all these other experience and then I

702
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:43,770
thought to myself okay I know exactly

703
00:31:50,090 --> 00:31:45,290
what this is

704
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:50,100
and so I was able to break free of the

705
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:54,320
paralysis and get my eyes wide open

706
00:32:00,290 --> 00:31:58,320
during the same second that I felt being

707
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:00,300
pushing on my back and I was able to

708
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:04,320
flip around on my back to see the face

709
00:32:08,990 --> 00:32:06,330
this thing for the first time it looked

710
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:09,000
like exactly what they always described

711
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:14,970
in these books it was but to see it you

712
00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:17,130
could see the texture it was like a like

713
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:19,740
grey the skin was gray like they always

714
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:23,130
say at the skin though and the face you

715
00:32:29,150 --> 00:32:26,490
can see was like the texture was like

716
00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:29,160
moist it had like moisture the skin was

717
00:32:33,140 --> 00:32:31,320
like moist like maybe a frog like the

718
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:33,150
texture of a flock frog and you can see

719
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:36,480
like veins under the skin like like

720
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:39,570
black or like you know gray like type of

721
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:42,690
like you know compression of what we're

722
00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:44,970
like some type of like vein I don't know

723
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:46,500
for their veins or not but there was

724
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:48,930
like a pattern of something on the skin

725
00:32:56,090 --> 00:32:53,250
of like a tight skin over like veins

726
00:32:59,360 --> 00:32:56,100
that are popping out and it had the

727
00:33:01,520 --> 00:32:59,370
grave it had the eyes we were like just

728
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:01,530
one black pupil and they weren't like

729
00:33:05,570 --> 00:33:03,510
oversized like a lot of they described

730
00:33:08,690 --> 00:33:05,580
it was it was like bigger than normal

731
00:33:10,610 --> 00:33:08,700
but it wasn't like huge like how they

732
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:10,620
described it and the thing is is the I

733
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:12,570
only saw it for like less than even a

734
00:33:17,290 --> 00:33:14,910
second it only let I was only able to

735
00:33:21,530 --> 00:33:17,300
see it for like one second and as soon

736
00:33:25,670 --> 00:33:21,540
as I blink and opened my eyes back up as

737
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:25,680
quick as a blink it was gone well and so

738
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:27,810
it was over of my bed at when I when I

739
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:30,240
rolled over my back I saw it right its

740
00:33:34,220 --> 00:33:32,610
face right there and then I didn't see

741
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:34,230
the rest of its body it just maybe the

742
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:36,840
shoulders of it and then what then one

743
00:33:41,970 --> 00:33:38,050
blanket was gone

744
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:41,980
and so you know that was the only time

745
00:33:45,930 --> 00:33:44,110
I've ever seen what they look like and I

746
00:33:48,330 --> 00:33:45,940
don't know if those that was the same

747
00:33:49,770 --> 00:33:48,340
thing that you know that's been coming

748
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:49,780
around all these years and I don't even

749
00:33:55,470 --> 00:33:53,050
know if you can relate these bedroom

750
00:33:56,820 --> 00:33:55,480
beans or these whatever they are I don't

751
00:33:59,700 --> 00:33:56,830
even know if you can relate them to

752
00:34:02,190 --> 00:33:59,710
aerial phenomenon because a lot of times

753
00:34:05,490 --> 00:34:02,200
when when people see this aspect of the

754
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:05,500
UFO experience or the abduction

755
00:34:10,860 --> 00:34:07,330
experience so to speak when they have

756
00:34:13,290 --> 00:34:10,870
the bedroom visitation of an alien most

757
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:13,300
of those experience no one ever sees UFO

758
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:16,450
with those experiences you know I mean

759
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:17,770
there's other experiences where you

760
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:21,280
where you see the UFO with the beam like

761
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:23,770
the Betty and Barney Hill case or the

762
00:34:28,889 --> 00:34:27,280
Travis Walton case those are 2i you know

763
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:28,899
when I look at the UFO abduction

764
00:34:32,430 --> 00:34:30,250
phenomenon I put them in those two

765
00:34:34,380 --> 00:34:32,440
different categories there's the cases

766
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:34,390
where you see the UFO with the beam and

767
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:36,250
then there's the cases where they never

768
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:38,050
see the UFO where they only see the beam

769
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:41,290
in the room or then there's a little of

770
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:42,970
both when you see the beam and you're

771
00:34:47,610 --> 00:34:45,250
being levitated out of a beam into a UFO

772
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:47,620
oh there's those that category as well

773
00:34:52,169 --> 00:34:50,560
and that way you finally see both but it

774
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:52,179
starts off in the room and then you're

775
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:54,250
levitated into a UFO and then you see

776
00:34:58,460 --> 00:34:56,770
the UFO after you see the beam so though

777
00:35:01,440 --> 00:34:58,470
there's a couple different categories

778
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:01,450
there that I like to look at when it

779
00:35:07,710 --> 00:35:04,810
comes to the actual entities or or ET or

780
00:35:10,380 --> 00:35:07,720
whatever you want to call it now we have

781
00:35:12,330 --> 00:35:10,390
a regression therapists in the chat room

782
00:35:13,650 --> 00:35:12,340
so she probably wouldn't want me to ask

783
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:13,660
this question have you ever thought of

784
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:18,880
having regression hypnotherapy well yeah

785
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:23,770
back in like 1992 I believe it was 1992

786
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:27,970
I seen on some UFO documentaries I think

787
00:35:32,670 --> 00:35:30,250
like sightings a couple different TV

788
00:35:34,620 --> 00:35:32,680
shows of maybe well yeah it was

789
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:34,630
sightings and I also saw her on I

790
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:36,490
believe like Geraldo Rivera or whatever

791
00:35:43,230 --> 00:35:40,330
was the famous hypnotherapist Yvonne

792
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:43,240
Smith from Halle for Neum so around the

793
00:35:46,650 --> 00:35:45,130
early 90s I saw her talking about this

794
00:35:49,380 --> 00:35:46,660
sort of stuff and I was like thinking

795
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:49,390
wow you know she's hypnotizing these

796
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:51,290
people just like Budd Hopkins

797
00:35:55,090 --> 00:35:52,730
she's friends with Budd Hopkins Sheen

798
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:55,100
obviously knows what she's doing

799
00:35:59,950 --> 00:35:58,160
so I contacted her about it and then she

800
00:36:02,680 --> 00:35:59,960
referred me to a therapist in the

801
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:02,690
Phoenix area that works with regression

802
00:36:09,310 --> 00:36:04,730
with abductees and stuff and I never

803
00:36:11,470 --> 00:36:09,320
went further than that with with

804
00:36:14,050 --> 00:36:11,480
contacting another person about it and

805
00:36:17,740 --> 00:36:14,060
going under hypnosis because I bought

806
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:17,750
this book by in like it was like a 93 of

807
00:36:23,620 --> 00:36:20,690
maybe your later after I you know

808
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:23,630
started looking into this hypnosis thing

809
00:36:32,650 --> 00:36:29,770
I bought a book by um it was Edith I

810
00:36:34,030 --> 00:36:32,660
can't I can't really recall in it I

811
00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:34,040
can't remember right offhand but it was

812
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:36,710
a book about self hypnosis they like

813
00:36:40,930 --> 00:36:38,210
they taught you how to do it yourself

814
00:36:45,070 --> 00:36:40,940
like to hypnotize yourself and look for

815
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:45,080
memories and so I did I did it and I

816
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:48,290
tried to recall one incident and I

817
00:36:54,690 --> 00:36:51,530
started to see in my mind in my

818
00:36:56,890 --> 00:36:54,700
subconscious mind started to show me

819
00:37:00,070 --> 00:36:56,900
memories about it that I couldn't

820
00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:00,080
remember before I started they have

821
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:03,710
noticed this process and right and when

822
00:37:07,570 --> 00:37:05,330
I started getting the information that I

823
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:07,580
couldn't remember consciously I quit

824
00:37:11,740 --> 00:37:09,890
doing it because I I started getting

825
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:11,750
scared and I didn't want to I didn't

826
00:37:17,410 --> 00:37:15,770
want to you know it's like wait a minute

827
00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:17,420
you know why can't I remember this

828
00:37:21,340 --> 00:37:19,730
before I go into hypnosis I'm and so

829
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:21,350
that part of it kind of freaked me out

830
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:25,730
and I I pretty much stopped so and I

831
00:37:31,540 --> 00:37:27,770
didn't / I didn't pursue it with anybody

832
00:37:32,410 --> 00:37:31,550
else or try any more self hypnosis or

833
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:32,420
anything like that

834
00:37:40,660 --> 00:37:36,050
so I mean I was I'm open to it now maybe

835
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:40,670
now but at the time I wasn't I'm not

836
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:42,530
sure if I if something like that

837
00:37:47,050 --> 00:37:44,650
happened to me if I'd really want to

838
00:37:50,140 --> 00:37:47,060
explore it I know this has come up on

839
00:37:51,730 --> 00:37:50,150
the show before but I asked I asked

840
00:37:54,070 --> 00:37:51,740
Travis Walton the same question

841
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:54,080
basically and he said he did it once and

842
00:37:59,200 --> 00:37:56,480
he'll never do it again he doesn't want

843
00:38:01,450 --> 00:37:59,210
to know anymore you know basically so

844
00:38:03,220 --> 00:38:01,460
right and that was my experience with it

845
00:38:04,780 --> 00:38:03,230
because once your brain is starting to

846
00:38:05,230 --> 00:38:04,790
show you memories that you couldn't

847
00:38:08,260 --> 00:38:05,240
remember

848
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:08,270
until you got into this trance state you

849
00:38:13,210 --> 00:38:10,730
might not want to continue the down that

850
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:13,220
road I mean once you open the door now

851
00:38:17,830 --> 00:38:16,130
once you know if I won't if I was to go

852
00:38:20,620 --> 00:38:17,840
into hypnosis and look at a different

853
00:38:23,410 --> 00:38:20,630
experience and it started turning out

854
00:38:26,490 --> 00:38:23,420
the same way then I might want to just

855
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:26,500
stop the session too you know but it's I

856
00:38:32,590 --> 00:38:30,650
don't know it's weird it's weird for

857
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:32,600
your subconscious it's the same thing

858
00:38:36,340 --> 00:38:33,890
and you know it's used in a court of law

859
00:38:38,770 --> 00:38:36,350
you know it's you know you you know some

860
00:38:40,270 --> 00:38:38,780
people they do something bad and a car

861
00:38:41,710 --> 00:38:40,280
speeds down the street and you're the

862
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:41,720
only one there was standing on the

863
00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:44,650
sidewalk so they take you and the police

864
00:38:49,870 --> 00:38:48,470
do a interview with you about it and

865
00:38:51,580 --> 00:38:49,880
then they come to collusion that maybe

866
00:38:53,890 --> 00:38:51,590
he might remember the license plate

867
00:38:55,630 --> 00:38:53,900
under hypnosis so you go under hypnosis

868
00:38:57,220 --> 00:38:55,640
and all of a sudden you can remember

869
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:57,230
that license plate just like you were

870
00:39:01,720 --> 00:38:58,880
standing there staring right at it I

871
00:39:03,460 --> 00:39:01,730
mean and that kind of kind of freaks you

872
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:03,470
out after that you know you're like wow

873
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,320
your subconscious is taken in a heck of

874
00:39:13,090 --> 00:39:08,240
a lot more than you are really aware of

875
00:39:14,770 --> 00:39:13,100
and this can be accessed yeah you know

876
00:39:17,620 --> 00:39:14,780
kind of put everything in little file

877
00:39:19,810 --> 00:39:17,630
boxes you know little moments and things

878
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:19,820
like that which can be accessed which is

879
00:39:24,130 --> 00:39:21,410
I don't know if can be accessed through

880
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:24,140
it no therapy but it's still that your

881
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:26,690
your brain really does capture a lot of

882
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,280
things now I see that you moved to

883
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:33,680
Phoenix in 1995 and the first thing I

884
00:39:44,770 --> 00:39:42,050
think I moved in 1987 oh yeah 1995 I got

885
00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:44,780
my video camera ah okay I was going to

886
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:48,710
ask you if you're here for 1997 March

887
00:39:58,030 --> 00:39:53,290
13th you know what I'm talking about but

888
00:40:01,000 --> 00:39:58,040
if when you move there did you right

889
00:40:06,850 --> 00:40:01,010
away get into what was going on in that

890
00:40:08,830 --> 00:40:06,860
area when we moved here in 1987 it was a

891
00:40:13,150 --> 00:40:08,840
weird transition because what happened

892
00:40:16,090 --> 00:40:13,160
was is I I was into UFOs until about a

893
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:16,100
year before that I was into UFOs until I

894
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:18,050
was about 16 years old

895
00:40:23,410 --> 00:40:20,720
and I was you know I you know about the

896
00:40:25,810 --> 00:40:23,420
all the experiences and and all that in

897
00:40:27,340 --> 00:40:25,820
all the books and stuff like that I I

898
00:40:29,380 --> 00:40:27,350
read them and I was really into the

899
00:40:35,050 --> 00:40:29,390
subject and for some reason when I

900
00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:35,060
turned 16 I was basically you know been

901
00:40:39,340 --> 00:40:37,250
in high school maybe a year or so and so

902
00:40:41,110 --> 00:40:39,350
I was kind of like in the threshold of

903
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:41,120
going through high school and stuff like

904
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:44,690
that and then when I turned 17 my

905
00:40:50,340 --> 00:40:47,090
parents decided that we're gonna leave

906
00:40:53,110 --> 00:40:50,350
Seattle moving to Phoenix and so I

907
00:40:55,780 --> 00:40:53,120
started a new high school when we moved

908
00:41:00,370 --> 00:40:55,790
out here in 87 and finished high school

909
00:41:02,170 --> 00:41:00,380
in 88 and then I you know so this was

910
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:02,180
probably about the third year that I was

911
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:05,570
kind of not pursuing or being interested

912
00:41:15,610 --> 00:41:10,370
in the UFO stuff and then in about 19 I

913
00:41:19,090 --> 00:41:15,620
think it was about 1990 was when I got

914
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:19,100
back into it because I had an experience

915
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:22,370
here in Phoenix and another bedroom one

916
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:24,530
and I it related me back to the Seattle

917
00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:26,330
experiences and all that and I thought

918
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:28,750
to myself you know they followed me here

919
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:31,850
like like how did they know you know and

920
00:41:36,250 --> 00:41:34,490
like all this stuff was flooding my

921
00:41:40,210 --> 00:41:36,260
brain you know it was all coming backing

922
00:41:43,570 --> 00:41:40,220
and so then in 1990 I was going through

923
00:41:46,780 --> 00:41:43,580
a book you know it's a bookstore and I

924
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:46,790
saw the communion book on the shelf

925
00:41:50,590 --> 00:41:49,250
mm-hmm and I never read it before and I

926
00:41:52,810 --> 00:41:50,600
never even seen it before I didn't know

927
00:41:54,730 --> 00:41:52,820
anything about it and it'd already been

928
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:54,740
out like about maybe you know four years

929
00:42:00,100 --> 00:41:56,810
or something like that but you know in

930
00:42:01,810 --> 00:42:00,110
1990 when I you know bought it I guess I

931
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:01,820
apparently had already been been out for

932
00:42:08,140 --> 00:42:03,920
like five or six years I don't know but

933
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:08,150
um I bought it and went home and I and I

934
00:42:12,910 --> 00:42:10,250
when I saw the cover of course I saw

935
00:42:15,580 --> 00:42:12,920
that I was like yeah I need to get this

936
00:42:18,670 --> 00:42:15,590
this is this this is connected to me

937
00:42:20,590 --> 00:42:18,680
somehow and I read it and it related me

938
00:42:22,060 --> 00:42:20,600
back to when I was a kid some of the

939
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:22,070
experiences he had it brought me back

940
00:42:27,370 --> 00:42:25,520
into it kind of basically it did it

941
00:42:30,250 --> 00:42:27,380
really did bring me back into it so then

942
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:30,260
that's when I followed up and buying the

943
00:42:34,290 --> 00:42:32,000
the Budd Hopkins

944
00:42:37,090 --> 00:42:34,300
of missing time and then I bought

945
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:37,100
intruders thought Hopkins intruders and

946
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:41,570
then I started buying a bunch of UFO

947
00:42:47,740 --> 00:42:43,850
abduction literature like secret live

948
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:47,750
from David Jacobs and a couple more will

949
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:49,610
East River books transformation and

950
00:42:53,980 --> 00:42:51,130
stuff just trying to get the feel

951
00:42:56,770 --> 00:42:53,990
because now I was starting to connect

952
00:42:59,410 --> 00:42:56,780
and try and I was connecting myself with

953
00:43:01,060 --> 00:42:59,420
some of these other people that had the

954
00:43:04,060 --> 00:43:01,070
experience from a young age and I bought

955
00:43:06,220 --> 00:43:04,070
the ed Walters book Gulf Breeze Florida

956
00:43:09,700 --> 00:43:06,230
sightings now this is what kind of

957
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:09,710
turned me into the sky watcher here is I

958
00:43:15,820 --> 00:43:13,970
saw a sightings television show

959
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:15,830
broadcast sightings remember that old

960
00:43:20,170 --> 00:43:18,050
show sightings oh yeah of course

961
00:43:24,310 --> 00:43:20,180
now they had a sightings episode and

962
00:43:27,460 --> 00:43:24,320
this was about in 1993 I believe 1993

963
00:43:29,380 --> 00:43:27,470
1994 and it was about a guy that can

964
00:43:31,420 --> 00:43:29,390
videotape a UFO any time of the day

965
00:43:33,070 --> 00:43:31,430
don't it doesn't matter you can go

966
00:43:35,380 --> 00:43:33,080
outside in his backyard set up the video

967
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:35,390
camera boom he gets UFO on video doesn't

968
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:37,370
matter what time of day is as long as

969
00:43:42,130 --> 00:43:39,530
it's date there's daylight outside you

970
00:43:43,980 --> 00:43:42,140
say blood get it on video and so I was

971
00:43:47,230 --> 00:43:43,990
like this is what I've been waiting to

972
00:43:50,380 --> 00:43:47,240
my whole life to do to get it on video I

973
00:43:52,510 --> 00:43:50,390
saw the the new uploads before now it's

974
00:43:55,390 --> 00:43:52,520
you know I've read all these books I

975
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:55,400
have a huge UFO library you know and now

976
00:43:59,640 --> 00:43:57,170
it's time to get the evidence I want to

977
00:44:03,850 --> 00:43:59,650
know how to do this and so basically

978
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:03,860
this guy was John Breaux Wilkie okay and

979
00:44:08,830 --> 00:44:05,570
you probably have heard of him

980
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:08,840
using UFO literature John Breaux Wilkie

981
00:44:12,940 --> 00:44:11,090
he was able to videotape this UFO any

982
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:12,950
time the day so sightings oh yes I know

983
00:44:20,310 --> 00:44:17,570
who he is yeah yeah so yeah he he set up

984
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:20,320
his video camera sightings set up their

985
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:23,810
television broadcast video you know

986
00:44:29,740 --> 00:44:26,330
cameras film cameras and they were able

987
00:44:32,290 --> 00:44:29,750
to get UFOs on tape all right long sign

988
00:44:35,380 --> 00:44:32,300
that lot rot right alongside this guy on

989
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:35,390
his cameras as well and so this was

990
00:44:42,190 --> 00:44:37,850
proven right there you know that this

991
00:44:45,660 --> 00:44:42,200
guy can do it and so he had a technique

992
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:45,670
and the technique was just

993
00:44:51,150 --> 00:44:48,640
right and how is how what he did was is

994
00:44:53,549 --> 00:44:51,160
he took the side of his house

995
00:44:55,980 --> 00:44:53,559
and he blocked the Sun out out so you

996
00:45:00,089 --> 00:44:55,990
can't see the Sun and then the glowing

997
00:45:02,789 --> 00:45:00,099
remainder of the Sun you know he took

998
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:02,799
his camera zoomed into this part of the

999
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:06,490
sky where you can see like way up there

1000
00:45:12,089 --> 00:45:09,609
and you can see like bug shooting by you

1001
00:45:16,250 --> 00:45:12,099
can see like cotton balls cruising

1002
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:16,260
across the sky but then way way up there

1003
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:19,119
past all the cotton balls past all the

1004
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:21,760
bugs you would see an object coming to

1005
00:45:27,089 --> 00:45:25,359
frame stop slowly start to move and then

1006
00:45:28,890 --> 00:45:27,099
shoot away real fast and he would get

1007
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:28,900
like a bunch of these and in different

1008
00:45:32,789 --> 00:45:30,400
they've come in different speeds

1009
00:45:34,260 --> 00:45:32,799
different altitudes and they would do

1010
00:45:36,059 --> 00:45:34,270
different things some of them were cigar

1011
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:36,069
shaped some of them were round some of

1012
00:45:41,069 --> 00:45:38,049
them were hockey puck looking some of

1013
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:41,079
them were cylinders you know any

1014
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:44,530
category of the UFO if you look at UFOs

1015
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:46,000
they're described in a million different

1016
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:48,250
shapes he got every million shape you

1017
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:51,609
can think of and so and so that was it I

1018
00:45:56,039 --> 00:45:53,680
went out and bought my video camera and

1019
00:45:57,900 --> 00:45:56,049
I set it up and I tried to do the same

1020
00:46:00,839 --> 00:45:57,910
thing and I did a little bit of research

1021
00:46:05,069 --> 00:46:00,849
as well which I saw on some of the other

1022
00:46:09,299 --> 00:46:05,079
sighting shows about these 1990 solar

1023
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:09,309
eclipse in Mexico City where at the top

1024
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:11,410
and the height of the Eclipse when the

1025
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:14,170
entire disk of the Sun was blocked that

1026
00:46:17,220 --> 00:46:16,690
people started videotaping UFOs all over

1027
00:46:19,650 --> 00:46:17,230
the place

1028
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:19,660
and I thought it's the same concept you

1029
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:22,089
block the Sun out you can see these

1030
00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:24,880
things way way up there it happens in

1031
00:46:28,589 --> 00:46:26,710
the Eclipse it happens when you block it

1032
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:28,599
away with your house same concept so I

1033
00:46:36,510 --> 00:46:32,640
did it I got video of a UFO and I

1034
00:46:39,089 --> 00:46:36,520
contacted MUFON this was back in 1997

1035
00:46:41,609 --> 00:46:39,099
when when I was able to get a bunch of

1036
00:46:42,539 --> 00:46:41,619
UFOs on video and then in 1997 I had I

1037
00:46:44,549 --> 00:46:42,549
got this one

1038
00:46:46,740 --> 00:46:44,559
double dome looking UFO like what I

1039
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:46,750
described as a cigar shape with two

1040
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:50,079
domes on top instead of one and so I

1041
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:51,970
thought this video is really interesting

1042
00:46:56,339 --> 00:46:54,130
and it was a daylight video as well and

1043
00:46:58,690 --> 00:46:56,349
it streaks across a camera really really

1044
00:47:02,500 --> 00:46:58,700
fast so I called

1045
00:47:04,839 --> 00:47:02,510
ten FoxNews and they looked at the video

1046
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:04,849
and they're like oh yeah we got to run

1047
00:47:11,260 --> 00:47:09,650
this so they showed the video but before

1048
00:47:14,500 --> 00:47:11,270
they showed the video I thought well if

1049
00:47:16,990 --> 00:47:14,510
they're gonna do on Fox 10 tonight then

1050
00:47:18,819 --> 00:47:17,000
and I've already had MUFON over there a

1051
00:47:20,589 --> 00:47:18,829
week before that and they took the video

1052
00:47:23,050 --> 00:47:20,599
and took aside and report from me and

1053
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:23,060
took a copy of the video so I figure

1054
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:27,410
well I'm I I had this list of ufologist

1055
00:47:32,170 --> 00:47:29,119
in this book that came out that was

1056
00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:32,180
published back then and I I were

1057
00:47:37,180 --> 00:47:34,310
familiar with Linda Moulton Moulton

1058
00:47:39,700 --> 00:47:37,190
Howes reports on dreamland with art bell

1059
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:39,710
on Sunday so I saw I had her number in

1060
00:47:43,390 --> 00:47:41,599
that book and I've I figure I'm just

1061
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:43,400
gonna call her a teller you know that

1062
00:47:48,490 --> 00:47:46,970
tonight you know if you you know want

1063
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:48,500
the broadcast I'll send it to you but

1064
00:47:52,060 --> 00:47:50,450
tonight on Fox we're gonna have a look

1065
00:47:54,099 --> 00:47:52,070
they're gonna have a local news story

1066
00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:54,109
about some footage I shot and so I

1067
00:47:56,980 --> 00:47:55,310
thought I'd just call her and tell her

1068
00:47:59,319 --> 00:47:56,990
and if she wants the tape I'll send it

1069
00:48:03,250 --> 00:47:59,329
to her instead she did a whole

1070
00:48:05,319 --> 00:48:03,260
she did a whole audio interview with me

1071
00:48:07,630 --> 00:48:05,329
about the footage and about what was

1072
00:48:10,990 --> 00:48:07,640
going to show later on Fox and she took

1073
00:48:13,089 --> 00:48:11,000
the interview and late and later that

1074
00:48:15,550 --> 00:48:13,099
night she went on art bell at 8 o'clock

1075
00:48:17,770 --> 00:48:15,560
and broadcast the interview with me and

1076
00:48:19,809 --> 00:48:17,780
her on Dream Land an hour before or two

1077
00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:19,819
hours before the actual new cat newscast

1078
00:48:23,260 --> 00:48:21,710
so she kind of scooped Fox ten and

1079
00:48:25,359 --> 00:48:23,270
Phoenix by putting it on Dream Land with

1080
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:25,369
and so I was like wow this is cool I'm

1081
00:48:30,609 --> 00:48:28,510
on art Belle but I'm I'm on the

1082
00:48:32,109 --> 00:48:30,619
interview with Linda Moulton Howe so I'm

1083
00:48:34,329 --> 00:48:32,119
not actually live on the art Belle show

1084
00:48:36,130 --> 00:48:34,339
I'm alive I'm not even live I'm on an

1085
00:48:37,900 --> 00:48:36,140
interview a pre-recorded interview with

1086
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:37,910
Linda on Dream Land so I thought that

1087
00:48:42,490 --> 00:48:40,160
was kind of cool to get on art bell via

1088
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:42,500
an interview with Linda you know on a on

1089
00:48:47,650 --> 00:48:45,050
an audio tape that was kind of a cool

1090
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:47,660
way to break through into the the thing

1091
00:48:52,990 --> 00:48:50,210
with radio so you know it's starting to

1092
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:53,000
do radio shows after that but that was

1093
00:48:57,940 --> 00:48:54,800
the first time I ever was introduced to

1094
00:49:00,430 --> 00:48:57,950
being on a UFO radio show so later on

1095
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:00,440
that night they put the video on Fox 10

1096
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,250
and and they they showed it and people

1097
00:49:10,359 --> 00:49:07,040
earlier in the night they heard it on

1098
00:49:12,550 --> 00:49:10,369
art bell and they heard me on with Linda

1099
00:49:14,740 --> 00:49:12,560
and so the next day I got mail

1100
00:49:16,690 --> 00:49:14,750
all over the world I collect within the

1101
00:49:19,150 --> 00:49:16,700
next week I not the next day but within

1102
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:19,160
a couple days I was getting letters from

1103
00:49:24,610 --> 00:49:22,250
everywhere and I got like New Zealand

1104
00:49:26,590 --> 00:49:24,620
and all sorts of places and then

1105
00:49:29,020 --> 00:49:26,600
everybody in Phoenix that saw it on the

1106
00:49:31,150 --> 00:49:29,030
Fox the double dome video they were

1107
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:31,160
calling me and Khan trying to contact me

1108
00:49:35,740 --> 00:49:33,050
so I went and spoke for the art bell

1109
00:49:37,420 --> 00:49:35,750
chat Club that year and it just

1110
00:49:40,750 --> 00:49:37,430
snowballed after that and that's how I

1111
00:49:42,610 --> 00:49:40,760
really started getting into the video of

1112
00:49:45,630 --> 00:49:42,620
this you know I just captured more video

1113
00:49:49,150 --> 00:49:45,640
and more video and more video and then

1114
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:49,160
what was kind of unique was that I

1115
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:51,920
decided not to do the Sun technique

1116
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:55,040
thing anymore because people that were

1117
00:50:02,370 --> 00:49:58,010
doing it at the time what with you know

1118
00:50:06,430 --> 00:50:02,380
not only not just me but during like

1119
00:50:09,850 --> 00:50:06,440
pre-1998 like I would say between 9 1993

1120
00:50:13,570 --> 00:50:09,860
and 1998 there was the only people that

1121
00:50:15,970 --> 00:50:13,580
were videotaping UFOs and the only

1122
00:50:16,690 --> 00:50:15,980
people that were doing the Sun technique

1123
00:50:18,730 --> 00:50:16,700
as well

1124
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:18,740
or you know we could count them on just

1125
00:50:26,140 --> 00:50:21,290
you know maybe you know one hand even it

1126
00:50:29,790 --> 00:50:26,150
was like me it was Tim Edwards Hosea's

1127
00:50:32,590 --> 00:50:29,800
cameelious Tom King and John Breaux and

1128
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:32,600
that was it five there's maybe a couple

1129
00:50:36,190 --> 00:50:34,850
more there was a couple other sky

1130
00:50:37,780 --> 00:50:36,200
watchers that I knew at the time that

1131
00:50:40,030 --> 00:50:37,790
we're just starting to get into it oh

1132
00:50:41,620 --> 00:50:40,040
yeah and you had Tom Sabourin from from

1133
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:41,630
Gulf Breeze Florida and a couple of the

1134
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:44,000
Gulf Breeze people you know because that

1135
00:50:47,170 --> 00:50:45,920
flap went on for like five or six years

1136
00:50:48,730 --> 00:50:47,180
and there were you know there was a lot

1137
00:50:50,830 --> 00:50:48,740
of sky watchers that came out of it like

1138
00:50:53,020 --> 00:50:50,840
Bruce Morrison and Ed Walters and a few

1139
00:50:55,930 --> 00:50:53,030
other famous ones but there wasn't very

1140
00:50:58,270 --> 00:50:55,940
many of us back in you know like 93 to

1141
00:51:00,400 --> 00:50:58,280
98 that were taping UFOs you can count

1142
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:00,410
them on you know two hands basically and

1143
00:51:05,980 --> 00:51:03,410
so there were there the the daylight

1144
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:05,990
sighting people like me and Hosea's

1145
00:51:10,300 --> 00:51:08,690
camellias and Tim Edwards and Tom King

1146
00:51:12,430 --> 00:51:10,310
and John Breaux the people that did a

1147
00:51:14,140 --> 00:51:12,440
lot of solar technique we were getting

1148
00:51:15,490 --> 00:51:14,150
attacked by all these debunkers that

1149
00:51:19,060 --> 00:51:15,500
we're seeing all those are just cotton

1150
00:51:20,410 --> 00:51:19,070
balls or insects and and john growing us

1151
00:51:21,940 --> 00:51:20,420
we would always say you know you can

1152
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:21,950
tell the difference between the cotton

1153
00:51:26,260 --> 00:51:24,710
and the insects the UFOs you know that

1154
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:26,270
you can tell the difference but

1155
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:28,850
you know they don't want to ever listen

1156
00:51:33,310 --> 00:51:30,800
to it they attacked his rods footage

1157
00:51:35,140 --> 00:51:33,320
stuff he you know you know saying all

1158
00:51:37,150 --> 00:51:35,150
the rods are just insects and all that

1159
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,160
stuff like that so I got kind of fed up

1160
00:51:43,180 --> 00:51:39,520
with it so around I'd say around 1990

1161
00:51:45,970 --> 00:51:43,190
around 1998 I decided to change my

1162
00:51:48,070 --> 00:51:45,980
tactics on videotaping UFOs I decided

1163
00:51:50,620 --> 00:51:48,080
that I'm not gonna do any solar footage

1164
00:51:52,780 --> 00:51:50,630
anymore I'm not gonna film UFOs using

1165
00:51:54,850 --> 00:51:52,790
the solar technique or I'm not gonna and

1166
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:54,860
I'm not gonna film any more rods or any

1167
00:52:00,460 --> 00:51:57,770
of that stuff anymore if I I'm using

1168
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:00,470
that technique and so I changed my

1169
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:02,240
technique which was to turn my back on

1170
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:04,370
the Sun to film everything away from the

1171
00:52:10,090 --> 00:52:07,520
Sun totally back against the Sun and I

1172
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:10,100
was still able to get the rod cylinders

1173
00:52:17,470 --> 00:52:15,410
UFOs the hockey puck UFOs that you just

1174
00:52:20,020 --> 00:52:17,480
ship UFOs I was still able to get all

1175
00:52:22,660 --> 00:52:20,030
the same stuff but the footage got

1176
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:22,670
better turning your back on the Sun and

1177
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:26,210
videotaping them this way I started my

1178
00:52:31,090 --> 00:52:27,920
footage started to improve and I was

1179
00:52:34,420 --> 00:52:31,100
starting to get better footage like like

1180
00:52:35,890 --> 00:52:34,430
you know more structured videos like

1181
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:35,900
where you can see structure and stuff

1182
00:52:40,180 --> 00:52:37,490
like that where before it was just like

1183
00:52:41,710 --> 00:52:40,190
a fuzzy ball or whatever now you can see

1184
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:41,720
like the actual roundness or the

1185
00:52:46,570 --> 00:52:43,730
structure of the oval shape of the video

1186
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:46,580
and so there was some improvement in

1187
00:52:54,820 --> 00:52:50,210
video basically uh-huh can you explain

1188
00:52:59,020 --> 00:52:54,830
before we move on exactly how you were

1189
00:53:01,990 --> 00:52:59,030
doing the solar block out okay what you

1190
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:02,000
do is is you okay you know when you're

1191
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:03,890
out in your patio in the backyard you

1192
00:53:08,650 --> 00:53:06,170
have like a that overhang up above you

1193
00:53:11,290 --> 00:53:08,660
you can do it like that you can take

1194
00:53:14,290 --> 00:53:11,300
your position of your camera and block

1195
00:53:18,190 --> 00:53:14,300
the entire Sun out until you just get

1196
00:53:22,270 --> 00:53:18,200
the krona the corona of the Sun the

1197
00:53:24,130 --> 00:53:22,280
shine like basically the bright part of

1198
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:24,140
it not the center part you want to

1199
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:26,510
completely block the Sun out till you

1200
00:53:32,110 --> 00:53:29,090
just get that glow you know that glow

1201
00:53:34,300 --> 00:53:32,120
overhang you know of it and you want to

1202
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:34,310
either do that behind your house like

1203
00:53:38,860 --> 00:53:36,770
depending on what position the Sun is is

1204
00:53:40,030 --> 00:53:38,870
during the day like at high noon the

1205
00:53:43,060 --> 00:53:40,040
ideal position

1206
00:53:44,290 --> 00:53:43,070
would be like the overhang of a patio to

1207
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:44,300
where you get that bright part of the

1208
00:53:50,260 --> 00:53:47,930
Sun and and and if it's later in the day

1209
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:50,270
like three o'clock to five o'clock you'd

1210
00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:52,160
want to use the side of your house where

1211
00:53:59,110 --> 00:53:55,250
you can see like the you know the like

1212
00:54:01,840 --> 00:53:59,120
the left part of the Sun coming out not

1213
00:54:04,210 --> 00:54:01,850
the disk part of course but just the

1214
00:54:06,730 --> 00:54:04,220
glow of it and during like the early

1215
00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:06,740
hours of the day a good thing would be

1216
00:54:11,980 --> 00:54:09,920
like a fence to block out that part the

1217
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:11,990
this part and get the shiny part so you

1218
00:54:17,830 --> 00:54:15,680
can film at the top of the corona part

1219
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:17,840
now also another thing is is you always

1220
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:19,850
want to use UV protective sunglasses

1221
00:54:25,090 --> 00:54:22,400
when you do it you never want to point

1222
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:25,100
the lens of your camera directly at the

1223
00:54:31,780 --> 00:54:28,880
Sun like you never want to have the year

1224
00:54:34,660 --> 00:54:31,790
the disk of the Sun exposing into the

1225
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:34,670
camera lens okay so what you want to do

1226
00:54:40,090 --> 00:54:37,370
is you want to completely block the Sun

1227
00:54:44,620 --> 00:54:40,100
before you even set your camera up and

1228
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:44,630
so when you do get the the the bright

1229
00:54:49,180 --> 00:54:47,210
part of the Sun coming out of the area

1230
00:54:52,030 --> 00:54:49,190
that's blocked off like the shiny part

1231
00:54:54,780 --> 00:54:52,040
you'll want to zoom in with your camera

1232
00:54:57,010 --> 00:54:54,790
into that Crona part and not even

1233
00:54:58,960 --> 00:54:57,020
completely in the corona a little bit to

1234
00:55:01,810 --> 00:54:58,970
the left or the right of it depending on

1235
00:55:03,490 --> 00:55:01,820
you know where you're at just a way like

1236
00:55:05,410 --> 00:55:03,500
you know to you're just on the outer

1237
00:55:08,530 --> 00:55:05,420
edges of the shiny part you know zoom

1238
00:55:10,690 --> 00:55:08,540
into that and you'll start seeing what

1239
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:10,700
you'll see first off is you're gonna see

1240
00:55:16,990 --> 00:55:15,410
like bugs cotton stuff way up there and

1241
00:55:19,810 --> 00:55:17,000
stuff that you could be confused and

1242
00:55:24,490 --> 00:55:19,820
thinking that that's a UFO but watch and

1243
00:55:26,410 --> 00:55:24,500
look because if they it may very well be

1244
00:55:28,900 --> 00:55:26,420
a UFO but but look at the difference

1245
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:28,910
make sure that that you see bugs and

1246
00:55:33,370 --> 00:55:30,890
make sure that you see spiderwebs make

1247
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:33,380
sure that you see cotton make sure that

1248
00:55:39,490 --> 00:55:37,040
you can identify all the known stuff and

1249
00:55:41,890 --> 00:55:39,500
then that way when you see the stuff

1250
00:55:44,350 --> 00:55:41,900
that's higher up there then you'll see

1251
00:55:46,210 --> 00:55:44,360
the real thing and you'll get it on

1252
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:46,220
video and you'll be able to roll it back

1253
00:55:50,830 --> 00:55:49,040
on your computer or your TV and say look

1254
00:55:53,290 --> 00:55:50,840
you know all this stuff is this

1255
00:55:56,380 --> 00:55:53,300
identical stuff identifiable stuff but

1256
00:55:58,510 --> 00:55:56,390
look at this no one can tell me that

1257
00:56:00,430 --> 00:55:58,520
this is this other stuff because it's

1258
00:56:04,270 --> 00:56:00,440
obviously not and then you'll be able to

1259
00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:04,280
you know videotape a UFO and like I said

1260
00:56:09,310 --> 00:56:07,310
I you know eventually I got away from

1261
00:56:11,740 --> 00:56:09,320
that way to do it but that's always a

1262
00:56:13,300 --> 00:56:11,750
great way to start and that's what I was

1263
00:56:15,010 --> 00:56:13,310
getting that before if you want to start

1264
00:56:17,820 --> 00:56:15,020
out videotaping them that's a great way

1265
00:56:21,010 --> 00:56:17,830
to start and then once you can identify

1266
00:56:22,570 --> 00:56:21,020
everything like that once you turn your

1267
00:56:24,250 --> 00:56:22,580
back on the Sun and look up at the sky

1268
00:56:26,830 --> 00:56:24,260
you'll know exactly what you're looking

1269
00:56:29,140 --> 00:56:26,840
for you'll and you'll know exactly what

1270
00:56:31,330 --> 00:56:29,150
to look for and when you see it you'll

1271
00:56:35,590 --> 00:56:31,340
know what you're looking at and also

1272
00:56:37,570 --> 00:56:35,600
another thing is is you use your the sky

1273
00:56:41,380 --> 00:56:37,580
is like a canvas like a painter would

1274
00:56:43,570 --> 00:56:41,390
use and that's how we recognize a UFO is

1275
00:56:45,700 --> 00:56:43,580
if like in Arizona we always have a

1276
00:56:47,830 --> 00:56:45,710
perfectly blue sky with no clouds ever

1277
00:56:50,830 --> 00:56:47,840
and when you do see clouds they're

1278
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:50,840
really high or they're blanketing the

1279
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:53,330
entire sky because it's gonna rain so

1280
00:56:58,360 --> 00:56:55,130
most of time we have nothing it's just a

1281
00:57:01,690 --> 00:56:58,370
big blue sky and you focus your eyes and

1282
00:57:03,610 --> 00:57:01,700
on this big blue canvas and then just

1283
00:57:05,590 --> 00:57:03,620
kind of just let your eyes just look at

1284
00:57:08,590 --> 00:57:05,600
it and then after about five minutes

1285
00:57:11,380 --> 00:57:08,600
your eyes are adjusted into it so that

1286
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:11,390
any thing that disturbs the canvas like

1287
00:57:16,780 --> 00:57:14,330
an airplane or a balloon or a UFO or

1288
00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:16,790
anything up there is gonna disturb that

1289
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:18,110
you're gonna see it right away it's

1290
00:57:22,570 --> 00:57:20,210
gonna you know your eyes will will catch

1291
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:22,580
it because it's it's messing up your

1292
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:25,040
perfect blue canvas you know that's so

1293
00:57:29,410 --> 00:57:26,960
your eyes will be able to adjust and say

1294
00:57:31,690 --> 00:57:29,420
hey there's something and then and grab

1295
00:57:34,510 --> 00:57:31,700
your camera now this is how I do it I I

1296
00:57:37,150 --> 00:57:34,520
always have binoculars like a narrow can

1297
00:57:39,250 --> 00:57:37,160
I ask you that yeah and this is and the

1298
00:57:41,410 --> 00:57:39,260
reason for this is because number one I

1299
00:57:42,820 --> 00:57:41,420
got like ten by fifty binoculars they're

1300
00:57:44,110 --> 00:57:42,830
not that they don't cost that much and

1301
00:57:46,090 --> 00:57:44,120
they're pretty powerful they're not the

1302
00:57:47,470 --> 00:57:46,100
you know most powerful or anything but

1303
00:57:49,660 --> 00:57:47,480
you don't need that you just need what's

1304
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:49,670
affordable and I would say ten by 50 s

1305
00:57:57,250 --> 00:57:54,290
don't go any lower than that but it's a

1306
00:58:00,340 --> 00:57:57,260
good you know good binocular good power

1307
00:58:02,500 --> 00:58:00,350
and what I do is if I see something that

1308
00:58:04,570 --> 00:58:02,510
I want to see what it is I'll look

1309
00:58:06,670 --> 00:58:04,580
through the binoculars first and if I

1310
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:06,680
can just if I can see oh that's a plane

1311
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:07,130
that's

1312
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:08,690
look after I'll forget it you know and

1313
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:10,400
but if I look to the binoculars and I

1314
00:58:14,590 --> 00:58:12,890
see okay that's something that I can't

1315
00:58:16,450 --> 00:58:14,600
explain then that's when I turn the

1316
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:16,460
camera on that way you're not sitting

1317
00:58:19,780 --> 00:58:18,050
there with your camera on wasting your

1318
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:19,790
battery so then when the UFO shows up

1319
00:58:24,430 --> 00:58:21,410
and you press record oh the battery is

1320
00:58:26,830 --> 00:58:24,440
dead you know so what you want to do is

1321
00:58:29,770 --> 00:58:26,840
use your binoculars until you see a UFO

1322
00:58:32,940 --> 00:58:29,780
and then once you do turn your camera on

1323
00:58:35,470 --> 00:58:32,950
and zoom into it and start recording and

1324
00:58:38,860 --> 00:58:35,480
I also have lenses that I use that are

1325
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:38,870
different power like a 5/5 I have a what

1326
00:58:48,670 --> 00:58:43,850
they call a of 5x lens made by made by k

1327
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:48,680
UT and it's called to cut 5x and it puts

1328
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:52,640
like 50 power on your video camera so is

1329
00:58:57,580 --> 00:58:54,650
there is there a lot of time in the

1330
00:58:59,740 --> 00:58:57,590
field that's just plain boring just like

1331
00:59:01,060 --> 00:58:59,750
looking around and I mean you have to

1332
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:01,070
have a lot of patience for what you're

1333
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:01,490
doing

1334
00:59:10,990 --> 00:59:04,880
oh yeah yeah I mean well the thing is

1335
00:59:14,290 --> 00:59:11,000
about daylight video of UFOs is like you

1336
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:14,300
know it's gonna happen you know if you

1337
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:16,210
sit there for like two or three hours

1338
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:19,010
you know you're bound to see something I

1339
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:21,440
mean there's been times where we've

1340
00:59:26,590 --> 00:59:23,410
watched for like three or four hours and

1341
00:59:30,670 --> 00:59:26,600
don't see anything not even a balloon or

1342
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:30,680
anything like that and so we just you

1343
00:59:34,750 --> 00:59:34,400
know chalk it up nothing that day so try

1344
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:34,760
it again

1345
00:59:38,830 --> 00:59:37,490
and so what you want to generally try to

1346
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:38,840
do is put in hours

1347
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:41,210
that's all I always looked at it is you

1348
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:43,130
try to put in maybe like 20 hours a week

1349
00:59:47,980 --> 00:59:45,530
and then you're bound to catch something

1350
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:47,990
now in the summertime like how it is in

1351
00:59:53,710 --> 00:59:50,000
Phoenix like like for the last couple

1352
00:59:57,550 --> 00:59:53,720
days we've hit like 116 like Saturday it

1353
01:00:00,430 --> 00:59:57,560
was like 116 we've had like 115-113 it's

1354
01:00:03,220 --> 01:00:00,440
been in the 112 through 116 the last

1355
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:03,230
week and so forget forget UFOs during

1356
01:00:05,230 --> 01:00:04,850
the day I mean this is not going to

1357
01:00:09,070 --> 01:00:05,240
happen

1358
01:00:12,130 --> 01:00:09,080
and so we I turn to nighttime sky

1359
01:00:13,930 --> 01:00:12,140
watching during this time here and if

1360
01:00:16,450 --> 01:00:13,940
you look at all my footage I mean if you

1361
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:16,460
go to my websites UFOs over Phoenix comm

1362
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:19,250
you can download the video they're on on

1363
01:00:22,089 --> 01:00:20,960
a video page or there

1364
01:00:23,650 --> 01:00:22,099
a button on there where you can just

1365
01:00:25,750 --> 01:00:23,660
simply go to my YouTube channel and

1366
01:00:28,329 --> 01:00:25,760
check all my youtube videos and then

1367
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:28,339
look at my my catalog of footage and

1368
01:00:37,290 --> 01:00:31,730
you'll see that I have some pretty great

1369
01:00:40,300 --> 01:00:37,300
night time footage too and so you know

1370
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:40,310
nighttime footage its few and far

1371
01:00:44,859 --> 01:00:42,890
between though I tell you i-i've been

1372
01:00:46,270 --> 01:00:44,869
able to videotape some really good

1373
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:46,280
smoking gun

1374
01:00:50,849 --> 01:00:49,040
nighttime videos but I probably only

1375
01:00:54,790 --> 01:00:50,859
have maybe look like five of them

1376
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:54,800
because you know you just don't I mean

1377
01:01:00,760 --> 01:00:57,410
people say oh wow you were able to even

1378
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:00,770
see UFO more than once you know that's

1379
01:01:05,260 --> 01:01:02,570
like freaks people out or now you're

1380
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:05,270
you're even able to videotape a UFO more

1381
01:01:07,660 --> 01:01:06,890
than that more than once that freaks

1382
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:07,670
people out

1383
01:01:11,890 --> 01:01:09,680
and yeah and it's because they're not

1384
01:01:14,349 --> 01:01:11,900
educated about it like UFOs

1385
01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:14,359
like I said UFOs before it's a high

1386
01:01:19,450 --> 01:01:16,310
altitude phenomenon that occurs every

1387
01:01:21,310 --> 01:01:19,460
day over every single major city of the

1388
01:01:24,820 --> 01:01:21,320
United States also you have to just look

1389
01:01:28,540 --> 01:01:24,830
for them it's the same at night too as

1390
01:01:30,370 --> 01:01:28,550
well so you know it's it's one of those

1391
01:01:32,020 --> 01:01:30,380
things you go on to like the UFO

1392
01:01:34,060 --> 01:01:32,030
Reporting Center like for instance it's

1393
01:01:35,170 --> 01:01:34,070
Peter Davenport Uwe Boll important

1394
01:01:37,450 --> 01:01:35,180
Center and you can go up by

1395
01:01:40,980 --> 01:01:37,460
state-by-state index and see every

1396
01:01:44,109 --> 01:01:40,990
single sighting and you'll realize that

1397
01:01:46,359 --> 01:01:44,119
that the data is just incredible

1398
01:01:48,579 --> 01:01:46,369
like like they go you know there's

1399
01:01:52,780 --> 01:01:48,589
hundreds of sightings every month you

1400
01:01:54,370 --> 01:01:52,790
know in every state so and it's and it

1401
01:01:56,349 --> 01:01:54,380
goes back years and years and years

1402
01:01:58,089 --> 01:01:56,359
every year you know you can go back 20

1403
01:02:02,620 --> 01:01:58,099
years or whatever so it's nothing that

1404
01:02:04,780 --> 01:02:02,630
you know people should be like if you're

1405
01:02:05,890 --> 01:02:04,790
a UFO hunter or you're someone that's

1406
01:02:07,630 --> 01:02:05,900
interested in this stuff you're gonna

1407
01:02:09,130 --> 01:02:07,640
see a bunch of them you know if it's not

1408
01:02:10,810 --> 01:02:09,140
it's what you do but if people don't

1409
01:02:12,910 --> 01:02:10,820
know much about it you know they don't

1410
01:02:15,339 --> 01:02:12,920
have the researcher knowledge about it

1411
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:15,349
it kind of freaks me out that someone's

1412
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:17,450
able to see like a UFO over and over

1413
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:18,650
again because they think it's a

1414
01:02:23,859 --> 01:02:21,530
once-in-a-lifetime experience or you

1415
01:02:25,630 --> 01:02:23,869
know even a videotape one or just to see

1416
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:25,640
one you know and it's not that's not

1417
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:28,730
it's not like that do you think though

1418
01:02:33,820 --> 01:02:32,000
you have your experience in Phoenix so

1419
01:02:34,599 --> 01:02:33,830
what makes you think that there are over

1420
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:34,609
others it

1421
01:02:39,609 --> 01:02:38,210
as well like they are there well that's

1422
01:02:42,430 --> 01:02:39,619
kind of going back to the John Breaux

1423
01:02:46,269 --> 01:02:42,440
thing when I got into the videotaping

1424
01:02:48,309 --> 01:02:46,279
stuff in 2005 I started quickly becoming

1425
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:48,319
friends with all the sky watchers that

1426
01:02:52,809 --> 01:02:50,450
we're shooting video when they found out

1427
01:02:54,099 --> 01:02:52,819
I shot the same type of UFO footage that

1428
01:02:55,359 --> 01:02:54,109
they shot they all wanted to be my

1429
01:03:00,099 --> 01:02:55,369
friend and know who I was

1430
01:03:03,009 --> 01:03:00,109
so in 1995 I met people like Tim Edwards

1431
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:03,019
that had shot a cylinder footage in

1432
01:03:07,660 --> 01:03:05,930
Salida Colorado for instance and he shot

1433
01:03:09,999 --> 01:03:07,670
daylight cylinder footage and you're

1434
01:03:13,329 --> 01:03:10,009
probably familiar with that video and I

1435
01:03:15,460 --> 01:03:13,339
also met during that same year Hosea's

1436
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:15,470
camellias which lived in New Mexico at

1437
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:17,930
the time and so now already I have a

1438
01:03:22,809 --> 01:03:20,960
friend in in in Colorado that's shooting

1439
01:03:24,519 --> 01:03:22,819
cylinders and I shot some daylight

1440
01:03:26,829 --> 01:03:24,529
cylinders - so he's shooting the same

1441
01:03:29,410 --> 01:03:26,839
stuff I am shooting me but he lives in

1442
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:29,420
Colorado and then during the same time

1443
01:03:36,130 --> 01:03:32,089
frame I met Jose's camellias that lived

1444
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:36,140
in new in New Mexico and he was shooting

1445
01:03:41,410 --> 01:03:39,920
what they called the Midway I don't know

1446
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:41,420
if you're familiar with this but back in

1447
01:03:47,799 --> 01:03:44,450
1995 Hosea's camellias was being was

1448
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:47,809
famous for the Midway New Mexico UFO

1449
01:03:53,859 --> 01:03:50,210
sightings and he was using the solar

1450
01:03:57,370 --> 01:03:53,869
technique to videotape little hockey

1451
01:03:59,559 --> 01:03:57,380
puck shaped daylight UFOs in Midway New

1452
01:04:01,210 --> 01:03:59,569
Mexico and then a little bit later a cup

1453
01:04:03,819 --> 01:04:01,220
maybe a year later he started become

1454
01:04:05,950 --> 01:04:03,829
famous during the rod things so this was

1455
01:04:10,299 --> 01:04:05,960
even before he was famous with rods he

1456
01:04:12,249 --> 01:04:10,309
was shooting he a famous you a UFO flap

1457
01:04:15,759 --> 01:04:12,259
that he made famous himself by shooting

1458
01:04:19,239 --> 01:04:15,769
footage in Midway New Mexico the Midway

1459
01:04:21,009 --> 01:04:19,249
UFO flap and he was getting famous off

1460
01:04:25,989 --> 01:04:21,019
that before even he got famous with the

1461
01:04:29,789 --> 01:04:25,999
rod footage that used to like film

1462
01:04:32,349 --> 01:04:29,799
outside out of his skylight sometimes

1463
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:32,359
I'm not I'm not really too sure on that

1464
01:04:37,210 --> 01:04:34,730
but this was you know who hos asked

1465
01:04:40,809 --> 01:04:37,220
Milius is obviously the rods frauds

1466
01:04:44,220 --> 01:04:40,819
right yeah before the before he got

1467
01:04:47,410 --> 01:04:44,230
famous with rods he was famous for a

1468
01:04:48,069 --> 01:04:47,420
daylight footage that he was shooting in

1469
01:04:53,979 --> 01:04:48,079
Midway

1470
01:04:58,239 --> 01:04:53,989
sightings and this was like I'd say like

1471
01:05:02,079 --> 01:04:58,249
92 through 94 somewhere in there you

1472
01:05:03,609 --> 01:05:02,089
know and so if not you know maybe 95 you

1473
01:05:06,430 --> 01:05:03,619
know say it was in there it was before

1474
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:06,440
he was in got into the rod thing but um

1475
01:05:11,469 --> 01:05:08,930
so he lived in New Mexico and then of

1476
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:11,479
course John Breaux at the time he lived

1477
01:05:17,019 --> 01:05:14,410
in northern in Southern California and

1478
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:17,029
so the they were all four of them we're

1479
01:05:20,370 --> 01:05:18,650
all shooting the same stuff at the time

1480
01:05:24,519 --> 01:05:20,380
that I was shooting here in Phoenix so

1481
01:05:26,319 --> 01:05:24,529
that's what you know I concluded this is

1482
01:05:28,660 --> 01:05:26,329
this is happening every day in every

1483
01:05:31,349 --> 01:05:28,670
city across the country I mean I mean

1484
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:31,359
these these four other guys prove it

1485
01:05:35,410 --> 01:05:33,200
pretty much to me

1486
01:05:37,269 --> 01:05:35,420
you know if we had one of these guys in

1487
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:37,279
every state they would all be reporting

1488
01:05:42,900 --> 01:05:39,410
the same or video videotaping the same

1489
01:05:45,849 --> 01:05:42,910
stuff now have you had some footage that

1490
01:05:47,529 --> 01:05:45,859
you really examine closely and you could

1491
01:05:50,709 --> 01:05:47,539
figure out it was something you know

1492
01:05:53,079 --> 01:05:50,719
prosaic like say helicopter at a

1493
01:05:55,749 --> 01:05:53,089
distance or something like that oh yeah

1494
01:05:58,599 --> 01:05:55,759
all the time I have like um I probably

1495
01:06:01,779 --> 01:05:58,609
have like a stack of like 200 VHS tapes

1496
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:01,789
because back when you and through the

1497
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:04,130
90s when you're shooting on 8 millimeter

1498
01:06:09,699 --> 01:06:05,839
we would transfer all of our footage

1499
01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:09,709
straight to of to a VHS tape that way if

1500
01:06:13,299 --> 01:06:11,569
our eight millimeter tape got eaten or

1501
01:06:19,449 --> 01:06:13,309
damaged or something we would have a

1502
01:06:22,239 --> 01:06:19,459
copy of it on a VHS tape so we just back

1503
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:22,249
then we just instead of just copying the

1504
01:06:28,209 --> 01:06:25,609
one siding on to the onto the tape we

1505
01:06:31,269 --> 01:06:28,219
just tape they and we just put dump the

1506
01:06:32,890 --> 01:06:31,279
entire 8 millimeter on to the VHS

1507
01:06:34,779 --> 01:06:32,900
because you can put like extended play

1508
01:06:37,479 --> 01:06:34,789
and it would take like five or six hours

1509
01:06:39,779 --> 01:06:37,489
of tape so we would throw it all on VHS

1510
01:06:42,130 --> 01:06:39,789
tapes and then go over it and decide

1511
01:06:44,739 --> 01:06:42,140
well most the time you can tell in

1512
01:06:46,420 --> 01:06:44,749
camera when your video when you be like

1513
01:06:49,989 --> 01:06:46,430
I said that's why I always got into the

1514
01:06:53,170 --> 01:06:49,999
the binoculars before I even press

1515
01:06:54,729 --> 01:06:53,180
record because when early when you start

1516
01:06:56,529 --> 01:06:54,739
early on you start to realize that

1517
01:06:59,890 --> 01:06:56,539
you're starting to videotape a lot of

1518
01:07:01,870 --> 01:06:59,900
crap so to speak then and I were use

1519
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:01,880
that word because of it ends

1520
01:07:05,260 --> 01:07:03,530
up being a helicopter or a ball of

1521
01:07:07,300 --> 01:07:05,270
cotton or a balloon or something like

1522
01:07:09,100 --> 01:07:07,310
that until you zoom in and get you know

1523
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:09,110
your pression record and you're trying

1524
01:07:13,900 --> 01:07:10,850
to capture this thing and then when you

1525
01:07:15,310 --> 01:07:13,910
get in on it on Zoom oh that's just a

1526
01:07:18,340 --> 01:07:15,320
ball of cotton or a balloon or a

1527
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:18,350
helicopter a high-altitude satellite or

1528
01:07:24,220 --> 01:07:21,440
something like that and so we you know

1529
01:07:27,490 --> 01:07:24,230
we had a lot of that stuff that we

1530
01:07:29,380 --> 01:07:27,500
examine just to make sure but also to

1531
01:07:31,450 --> 01:07:29,390
get away from it all together that's

1532
01:07:33,180 --> 01:07:31,460
when I got started you know I got the

1533
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:33,190
binoculars that way we don't have to

1534
01:07:40,150 --> 01:07:37,010
waste videotape waste recorded tape and

1535
01:07:42,610 --> 01:07:40,160
have to record over something and you

1536
01:07:45,220 --> 01:07:42,620
know you know everything costs money you

1537
01:07:47,590 --> 01:07:45,230
know even back then a you know a hi-8

1538
01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:47,600
tape still cost five bucks or whatever

1539
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:50,240
you know and if you have to record over

1540
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:52,970
it you know that that doesn't look good

1541
01:07:57,100 --> 01:07:55,490
because the quality I mean I don't know

1542
01:07:58,840 --> 01:07:57,110
if it's gonna hold the same quality if

1543
01:08:01,360 --> 01:07:58,850
it's been this tapes been recorded over

1544
01:08:03,550 --> 01:08:01,370
three times you know because the first

1545
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:03,560
two times we recorded balloons by

1546
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:08,090
accident you know now you've mentioned

1547
01:08:13,330 --> 01:08:10,490
earlier that these are high altitude a

1548
01:08:15,730 --> 01:08:13,340
lot of them are high altitude and one of

1549
01:08:17,710 --> 01:08:15,740
the things you hear is that a lot of

1550
01:08:20,290 --> 01:08:17,720
people are saying about the triangle

1551
01:08:22,330 --> 01:08:20,300
crafts that no one sees them at high

1552
01:08:25,060 --> 01:08:22,340
altitude and I just wondered had you

1553
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:25,070
ever seen anything triangular high

1554
01:08:32,410 --> 01:08:28,730
altitude yeah yeah a matter of fact I

1555
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:32,420
have and you're right there is a lot of

1556
01:08:39,580 --> 01:08:35,330
low active low altitude activity with

1557
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:39,590
UFOs and triangles but generally these

1558
01:08:43,810 --> 01:08:41,690
things like to you know they like to

1559
01:08:47,260 --> 01:08:43,820
stay a little bit away from us like

1560
01:08:49,330 --> 01:08:47,270
they're a little higher up and like the

1561
01:08:53,070 --> 01:08:49,340
day I've got some daylight triangle

1562
01:08:58,240 --> 01:08:53,080
footage in the 90s from different people

1563
01:09:00,790 --> 01:08:58,250
and I videotaped one too but generally

1564
01:09:02,500 --> 01:09:00,800
they're different like depending on like

1565
01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:02,510
I said you know that's weird about UFOs

1566
01:09:06,340 --> 01:09:04,490
is like someone shoots a triangle and

1567
01:09:07,750 --> 01:09:06,350
then another pursued it's a triangle and

1568
01:09:09,940 --> 01:09:07,760
then you look at both videos and they're

1569
01:09:11,770 --> 01:09:09,950
different like the the objects are

1570
01:09:15,070 --> 01:09:11,780
different like the crafts are different

1571
01:09:15,579 --> 01:09:15,080
it's not very rarely do you have this

1572
01:09:18,970 --> 01:09:15,589
person

1573
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:18,980
video tape the exact same thing in this

1574
01:09:22,570 --> 01:09:20,810
video where you can compare both videos

1575
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:22,580
and say well that looks like the exact

1576
01:09:26,919 --> 01:09:25,130
same thing I mean most the time you're

1577
01:09:29,709 --> 01:09:26,929
gonna get two table jerks that are very

1578
01:09:32,260 --> 01:09:29,719
similar but you wouldn't say that they

1579
01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:32,270
were the exact same thing but every now

1580
01:09:36,399 --> 01:09:34,369
and then that happens but not too often

1581
01:09:38,410 --> 01:09:36,409
and that's that's the funny thing about

1582
01:09:39,939 --> 01:09:38,420
the daylight triangles as I was thinking

1583
01:09:43,209 --> 01:09:39,949
is because I remember there were some

1584
01:09:46,059 --> 01:09:43,219
footage I looked at by a guy Tom King

1585
01:09:48,419 --> 01:09:46,069
back in the early 90s that shot a

1586
01:09:51,099 --> 01:09:48,429
triangular footage but it looked like

1587
01:09:53,079 --> 01:09:51,109
you know it was high altitude but the

1588
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:53,089
way that it looked it looked like each

1589
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:55,010
tip of the triangle was like a round

1590
01:10:01,359 --> 01:09:57,050
ball but they were connected together

1591
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:01,369
like by something like an outer rim so

1592
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:04,130
the triangle shape was there but on each

1593
01:10:07,780 --> 01:10:05,810
end of the triangle was like a round

1594
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:07,790
ball you had these three round balls and

1595
01:10:12,910 --> 01:10:10,489
a triangular formation but when you zoom

1596
01:10:15,729 --> 01:10:12,920
in on the footage you can see the

1597
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:15,739
outline you know beyond the ball of the

1598
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:18,489
actual shape of the triangle and then I

1599
01:10:24,609 --> 01:10:21,440
compared it to a video that was shot the

1600
01:10:25,930 --> 01:10:24,619
same year by this guy prophet Yahweh I

1601
01:10:28,149 --> 01:10:25,940
don't know if you've heard of this guy

1602
01:10:29,500 --> 01:10:28,159
before prophet Yahweh he he's been

1603
01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:29,510
around for 20 years

1604
01:10:36,780 --> 01:10:32,480
shooting UFO video come out of Vegas I

1605
01:10:39,550 --> 01:10:36,790
did an investigation on him back in 1996

1606
01:10:41,589 --> 01:10:39,560
we drove out to Vegas to see if this guy

1607
01:10:43,450 --> 01:10:41,599
was for real or not that's a totally

1608
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:43,460
different story but he shot this

1609
01:10:47,790 --> 01:10:46,010
triangular footage but it didn't look

1610
01:10:51,100 --> 01:10:47,800
anything like the Tom King footage this

1611
01:10:53,260 --> 01:10:51,110
this triangular this triangle footage

1612
01:10:58,419 --> 01:10:53,270
was boomerang shaped and it would look

1613
01:11:01,330 --> 01:10:58,429
like a bunch of like white balls like to

1614
01:11:03,970 --> 01:11:01,340
like you would see two white sticks put

1615
01:11:05,979 --> 01:11:03,980
together like a V but when he zoomed in

1616
01:11:08,530 --> 01:11:05,989
it looked like a little tiny like white

1617
01:11:12,399 --> 01:11:08,540
balls like they could be balloons tuck

1618
01:11:14,859 --> 01:11:12,409
together in a triangle like shape but it

1619
01:11:16,510 --> 01:11:14,869
wasn't that because they weren't like

1620
01:11:18,729 --> 01:11:16,520
flipping like balloons or tumbling and

1621
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:18,739
they were like rigid stuck and it was

1622
01:11:25,930 --> 01:11:21,050
traveling at like none of us first

1623
01:11:28,089 --> 01:11:25,940
across the sky and and that was you know

1624
01:11:29,370 --> 01:11:28,099
some pretty intriguing video like in a

1625
01:11:31,689 --> 01:11:29,380
lot of these guys

1626
01:11:34,540 --> 01:11:31,699
to tell you the truth lot of these sky

1627
01:11:38,609 --> 01:11:34,550
watchers out there and I'm one of them

1628
01:11:42,129 --> 01:11:38,619
so I can tell you this I'm not you know

1629
01:11:45,459 --> 01:11:42,139
it's amazing to me because they will put

1630
01:11:48,010 --> 01:11:45,469
out some junk footage sometimes stuff

1631
01:11:49,209 --> 01:11:48,020
that they know it's not UFOs and then

1632
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:49,219
they'll put out some stuff that they've

1633
01:11:53,620 --> 01:11:51,770
shot that is UFOs and it's not like

1634
01:11:58,660 --> 01:11:53,630
they're trying to be hoaxers or that's

1635
01:12:00,220 --> 01:11:58,670
not like they're trying to you know put

1636
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:00,230
one over on anybody I think that the

1637
01:12:05,859 --> 01:12:03,440
honestly sometimes don't know whether

1638
01:12:08,470 --> 01:12:05,869
this is a balloon or a UFO or an orb and

1639
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:08,480
they like they're 50/50 on it so they're

1640
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:10,250
just like let's just put it out there

1641
01:12:14,530 --> 01:12:13,130
you know who cares you know and that

1642
01:12:19,180 --> 01:12:14,540
might not be the right approach

1643
01:12:21,399 --> 01:12:19,190
sometimes and you know the point the

1644
01:12:22,629 --> 01:12:21,409
people that do it more often than they

1645
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:22,639
put out a real piece of footage

1646
01:12:28,330 --> 01:12:25,280
eventually they're labeled into a group

1647
01:12:30,939 --> 01:12:28,340
of people yeah that the and you know all

1648
01:12:33,580 --> 01:12:30,949
about that but there's groups on

1649
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:33,590
Facebook now that are like these sky

1650
01:12:38,649 --> 01:12:35,570
anomaly groups where they're posting

1651
01:12:40,629 --> 01:12:38,659
like balloons and they think that now

1652
01:12:44,919 --> 01:12:40,639
this is the weirdest thing and you know

1653
01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:44,929
they think that the UFO is like a mimic

1654
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:46,880
it's like becoming a bullet like it's

1655
01:12:51,580 --> 01:12:48,530
doing a shape of a balloon to try to

1656
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:51,590
trick you and they're filming what

1657
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:52,880
they're filming is not a balloon at all

1658
01:12:56,020 --> 01:12:54,560
even though it's got a big string and

1659
01:12:57,669 --> 01:12:56,030
even though it's got a picture of

1660
01:12:59,140 --> 01:12:57,679
spider-man on the balloon they think

1661
01:13:03,399 --> 01:12:59,150
it's some call they call it a balloon

1662
01:13:06,820 --> 01:13:03,409
mimic yes and they call it sky sky

1663
01:13:08,859 --> 01:13:06,830
anomaly variables and all this other

1664
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:08,869
words nice words that they try to come

1665
01:13:13,060 --> 01:13:10,730
up with to try to convince you that it's

1666
01:13:15,189 --> 01:13:13,070
not just a regular balloon I don't I

1667
01:13:18,370 --> 01:13:15,199
don't believe in any of that stuff I got

1668
01:13:20,410 --> 01:13:18,380
I got VHS tapes full of balloons that

1669
01:13:22,899 --> 01:13:20,420
I've zoomed in on to see if it was UFO

1670
01:13:26,140 --> 01:13:22,909
and then I never would put it out there

1671
01:13:28,149 --> 01:13:26,150
as a UFO yeah you know yeah so I don't

1672
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:28,159
so you got large groups of these people

1673
01:13:32,260 --> 01:13:29,690
out there that are doing this is totally

1674
01:13:35,470 --> 01:13:32,270
discrediting the entire video movement

1675
01:13:38,589 --> 01:13:35,480
of ufology unless you videotape a

1676
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:38,599
perfect saucer shaped object or what

1677
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:41,330
everybody you know knows of as a flying

1678
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:43,290
saucer UFO Shay

1679
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:45,600
and look you know if it doesn't have

1680
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:50,250
that perfect UFO shape and look and it's

1681
01:13:54,590 --> 01:13:52,050
got like an orb look or a balloon look

1682
01:13:58,010 --> 01:13:54,600
and it's gonna be labeled as a balloon

1683
01:13:59,540 --> 01:13:58,020
or a piece of sky garbage because of all

1684
01:14:03,260 --> 01:13:59,550
these people that are posting all this

1685
01:14:06,110 --> 01:14:03,270
junk so yeah yeah no I I got it and

1686
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:06,120
there is a lot of things out there to

1687
01:14:14,900 --> 01:14:10,050
muddy the water as well as CGI and you

1688
01:14:16,940 --> 01:14:14,910
know hoax is a real hoaxes we're on live

1689
01:14:19,670 --> 01:14:16,950
with a Jeff Willis if anyone wants to

1690
01:14:23,900 --> 01:14:19,680
call in that's six oh three nine six

1691
01:14:26,660 --> 01:14:23,910
seven four oh three oh speaking of

1692
01:14:30,500 --> 01:14:26,670
hoaxes there was one that went viral

1693
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:30,510
recently I think it was called team ten

1694
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:31,770
or something like that

1695
01:14:36,710 --> 01:14:34,170
yeah secure team there isn't any yeah

1696
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:36,720
yeah these guys can you know it's funny

1697
01:14:42,230 --> 01:14:40,320
because you know being in the UFOs for

1698
01:14:43,730 --> 01:14:42,240
so long you know when I was a little kid

1699
01:14:45,980 --> 01:14:43,740
when I was like like I said when I was

1700
01:14:47,780 --> 01:14:45,990
like seven years old or when I got that

1701
01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:47,790
book off the shelf and one of the some

1702
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:50,490
of the pictures in that book that when I

1703
01:14:54,110 --> 01:14:52,560
was like in kindergarten in this and in

1704
01:14:55,580 --> 01:14:54,120
the second grade a couple of those

1705
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:55,590
different books that I had checked out

1706
01:15:00,830 --> 01:14:57,920
from the library they had those perfect

1707
01:15:03,230 --> 01:15:00,840
beautiful pictures of flying saucers by

1708
01:15:04,970 --> 01:15:03,240
billy meier oh yeah now well you know

1709
01:15:07,130 --> 01:15:04,980
when you're looking at that as a six or

1710
01:15:09,140 --> 01:15:07,140
seven year old kid you know you're gonna

1711
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:09,150
believe that those pictures of course

1712
01:15:12,830 --> 01:15:10,290
they were in the book and they were

1713
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:12,840
claimed to be real and of course that

1714
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:14,730
whole case and those pictures when they

1715
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:17,130
came out at the time though that whole

1716
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:20,130
case was being brought forward yeah in

1717
01:15:25,460 --> 01:15:22,800
print by the investigators that brought

1718
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:25,470
us the case which were of lee elders and

1719
01:15:30,770 --> 01:15:28,530
wendell stevens and of course the people

1720
01:15:33,050 --> 01:15:30,780
the person that was backing up the video

1721
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:33,060
to be real was another none other than

1722
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:35,610
jim delito so now all these guys are

1723
01:15:40,250 --> 01:15:37,440
great UFO researchers and they're great

1724
01:15:45,050 --> 01:15:40,260
video analysis and stuff but we're

1725
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:45,060
talking 1975 1976 1977 you know i mean

1726
01:15:49,130 --> 01:15:46,890
maybe they had the wool pulled over

1727
01:15:52,460 --> 01:15:49,140
their eyes you know because because

1728
01:15:55,010 --> 01:15:52,470
because now every time almost I'd say

1729
01:15:56,990 --> 01:15:55,020
almost 80% of the time that one of those

1730
01:15:59,630 --> 01:15:57,000
type of style

1731
01:16:02,240 --> 01:15:59,640
that great of a picture or a video comes

1732
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:02,250
out you know it's only a few days later

1733
01:16:08,150 --> 01:16:04,890
words where everybody is like crying

1734
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:08,160
hoax on you know like the secured team

1735
01:16:13,010 --> 01:16:10,320
ten where they keep on putting out these

1736
01:16:16,430 --> 01:16:13,020
perfect UFO images that everybody wants

1737
01:16:19,130 --> 01:16:16,440
to believe but no one can prove if it's

1738
01:16:22,340 --> 01:16:19,140
real or fake because they're never gonna

1739
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:22,350
give you the original tape of course so

1740
01:16:26,450 --> 01:16:23,850
right there you're never gonna know if

1741
01:16:28,190 --> 01:16:26,460
it's real and they always claim all we

1742
01:16:29,690 --> 01:16:28,200
got this footage from this person and

1743
01:16:32,030 --> 01:16:29,700
now we're going we got that pert that

1744
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:32,040
person on the line or here's that person

1745
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:34,080
in the conversation so you don't know if

1746
01:16:38,270 --> 01:16:35,970
this is the guy's brother or the guy

1747
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:38,280
across the street or you don't know if

1748
01:16:42,170 --> 01:16:40,410
they're given a script to read or any of

1749
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:42,180
this stuff I mean and then they never

1750
01:16:46,820 --> 01:16:44,640
come on to do an interview with a

1751
01:16:49,250 --> 01:16:46,830
regular show or on television they never

1752
01:16:52,150 --> 01:16:49,260
come out to defend the video or whatever

1753
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:52,160
so you know it's like secure team and

1754
01:16:55,610 --> 01:16:54,960
those other guys third phases made for

1755
01:16:57,890 --> 01:16:55,620
the moon yeah

1756
01:17:00,590 --> 01:16:57,900
and there's a you know and so it's

1757
01:17:03,650 --> 01:17:00,600
really bad because what if someone

1758
01:17:05,930 --> 01:17:03,660
videotapes a real UFO on their video

1759
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:05,940
camera and they go on line because they

1760
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:08,250
don't know who'd report it and they go

1761
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:10,560
on YouTube and they see this secure team

1762
01:17:14,690 --> 01:17:13,170
10 or this third phase the moon guys and

1763
01:17:16,130 --> 01:17:14,700
they believe it and they're they call

1764
01:17:17,900 --> 01:17:16,140
them or email and they say oh I got

1765
01:17:19,850 --> 01:17:17,910
something that's real you got to see

1766
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:19,860
this and they give it to these guys and

1767
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:21,840
now these guys are putting it out there

1768
01:17:26,900 --> 01:17:25,290
as part of their fold of junk and this

1769
01:17:29,150 --> 01:17:26,910
one dude man this one just happens to be

1770
01:17:30,590 --> 01:17:29,160
real and of course we're not gonna pass

1771
01:17:31,790 --> 01:17:30,600
that up they're gonna throw it in with

1772
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:31,800
the mix of all the other stuff that

1773
01:17:35,660 --> 01:17:34,320
they're either producing or faking or

1774
01:17:38,630 --> 01:17:35,670
getting from the public that's either

1775
01:17:41,330 --> 01:17:38,640
real or fake and so that's another thing

1776
01:17:43,010 --> 01:17:41,340
somebody could be faking them out too

1777
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:43,020
and they don't know they're they just

1778
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:45,090
put anything out there that looks good

1779
01:17:47,810 --> 01:17:46,530
if it doesn't look good they're not

1780
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:47,820
gonna put it out there but if it looks

1781
01:17:51,890 --> 01:17:49,890
good they're gonna use it or put it out

1782
01:17:54,140 --> 01:17:51,900
there so that's the thing with those

1783
01:17:57,500 --> 01:17:54,150
type of YouTube channels to they they

1784
01:17:59,690 --> 01:17:57,510
don't put out the maybes you know they

1785
01:18:02,300 --> 01:17:59,700
put out what is considered the real

1786
01:18:04,970 --> 01:18:02,310
thing you know and even if it's CGI or

1787
01:18:08,350 --> 01:18:04,980
whatever you know we don't know until we

1788
01:18:10,700 --> 01:18:08,360
have the real tape yeah yeah I mean

1789
01:18:13,700 --> 01:18:10,710
another thing is that you know the

1790
01:18:16,940 --> 01:18:13,710
of witnesses of real witnesses something

1791
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:16,950
like that one recently that went so

1792
01:18:23,780 --> 01:18:20,730
viral you know they would it was so

1793
01:18:25,850 --> 01:18:23,790
obvious in the sky for so long that I'm

1794
01:18:28,850 --> 01:18:25,860
sure there would be multiple witnesses

1795
01:18:30,890 --> 01:18:28,860
and you heard of nothing you know right

1796
01:18:33,620 --> 01:18:30,900
and that was said to be in Ohio I

1797
01:18:35,570 --> 01:18:33,630
believe or something like that right and

1798
01:18:39,290 --> 01:18:35,580
that was the one with the cloud was that

1799
01:18:41,780 --> 01:18:39,300
with the cloud okay yeah now there's the

1800
01:18:46,010 --> 01:18:41,790
thing about that now you see a lot of

1801
01:18:47,810 --> 01:18:46,020
most people never look up okay so when

1802
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:47,820
when you have a sighting where there's

1803
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:49,410
only like one or two people that's not

1804
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:51,570
too uncommon because that just that fact

1805
01:18:54,709 --> 01:18:53,010
that people just don't look up in the

1806
01:18:56,780 --> 01:18:54,719
sky there when they're walking down the

1807
01:18:59,300 --> 01:18:56,790
street or they're usually looking down

1808
01:19:02,110 --> 01:18:59,310
you know and so they don't look up and

1809
01:19:04,430 --> 01:19:02,120
then if you are lucky enough to actually

1810
01:19:06,110 --> 01:19:04,440
videotape something you know the way

1811
01:19:08,060 --> 01:19:06,120
that that thing was like in the cloud or

1812
01:19:10,010 --> 01:19:08,070
whatever these things are never trying

1813
01:19:11,630 --> 01:19:10,020
to black broadcasts they're here yeah

1814
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:11,640
and the way that the way that that thing

1815
01:19:14,690 --> 01:19:12,930
was it was like just kind of like

1816
01:19:17,060 --> 01:19:14,700
hanging in the cloud like hoping that no

1817
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:17,070
one can see it you know type of the

1818
01:19:20,900 --> 01:19:19,440
thing so it didn't really if it is real

1819
01:19:24,410 --> 01:19:20,910
it looks like it was trying to

1820
01:19:26,510 --> 01:19:24,420
camouflage itself so there's a there's

1821
01:19:27,979 --> 01:19:26,520
someone in the one of the there's two

1822
01:19:30,020 --> 01:19:27,989
different chat rooms here one is on

1823
01:19:32,570 --> 01:19:30,030
skype and the other one is on the wet

1824
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:32,580
our website but someone wrote that

1825
01:19:37,310 --> 01:19:35,040
because they were in pursuit of the

1826
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:37,320
truth asking the right questions to

1827
01:19:45,020 --> 01:19:40,050
secure team 10 they banned them right

1828
01:19:46,340 --> 01:19:45,030
away from the YouTube channel well you

1829
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:46,350
know they're gonna do that because

1830
01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:48,480
there's wet there's a lot of UFO

1831
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:51,840
websites out there that flat out call

1832
01:19:55,220 --> 01:19:53,610
them hoaxers and have their videos on

1833
01:19:57,550 --> 01:19:55,230
their site and say this this is why

1834
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:57,560
these guys are fakers a matter of fact

1835
01:20:02,510 --> 01:20:00,239
there's a website out there called UFO

1836
01:20:04,820 --> 01:20:02,520
theater calm that's dedicated to

1837
01:20:09,650 --> 01:20:04,830
exposing hoaxes and this blew me away

1838
01:20:13,310 --> 01:20:09,660
because back in 2006 I was contacted by

1839
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:13,320
a guy that ran a website called UFO

1840
01:20:17,420 --> 01:20:15,840
theater calm it's the same website but

1841
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:17,430
it's a totally different owner because

1842
01:20:23,780 --> 01:20:19,920
back then the guy that owned the site

1843
01:20:26,450 --> 01:20:23,790
pulled a hoax people the hoax on me

1844
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:26,460
and what he did was he was like yeah

1845
01:20:30,620 --> 01:20:29,010
you're you know you know I'm gonna come

1846
01:20:32,450 --> 01:20:30,630
out to Phoenix and I want to do a sky

1847
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:32,460
watch with you because you know you you

1848
01:20:36,710 --> 01:20:34,290
know you're known for this stuff and

1849
01:20:38,270 --> 01:20:36,720
famous for this stuff or whatever and so

1850
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:38,280
I was like sure you know and so I was

1851
01:20:42,110 --> 01:20:40,290
kind of became friends with his website

1852
01:20:44,300 --> 01:20:42,120
and I had a banner to his website he had

1853
01:20:45,500 --> 01:20:44,310
a banner to mine and then the guy comes

1854
01:20:48,170 --> 01:20:45,510
out here

1855
01:20:49,970 --> 01:20:48,180
he lived in Texas by the way so he was

1856
01:20:52,370 --> 01:20:49,980
Santee I'm planning a trip to Arizona to

1857
01:20:54,980 --> 01:20:52,380
go skywatching with you and so we became

1858
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:54,990
friends and and so on and then when he

1859
01:20:59,660 --> 01:20:57,570
came out to Phoenix we did a short

1860
01:21:01,550 --> 01:20:59,670
little Sky Watch I dropped him off at

1861
01:21:04,100 --> 01:21:01,560
his hotel room with his girlfriend and

1862
01:21:05,780 --> 01:21:04,110
then the next day he called me and he

1863
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:05,790
goes oh you'll never believe what

1864
01:21:09,380 --> 01:21:07,170
happened when you dropped me off at my

1865
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:09,390
hotel I got the most incredible UFO

1866
01:21:14,030 --> 01:21:11,970
footage in the world and so I said oh

1867
01:21:16,460 --> 01:21:14,040
really we'll bring it over to my house I

1868
01:21:21,500 --> 01:21:16,470
got to see this and so the guy's name

1869
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:21,510
was Brian ascent and he come he came to

1870
01:21:25,130 --> 01:21:23,040
my house in the morning brought the

1871
01:21:27,500 --> 01:21:25,140
video I put it into my computer and

1872
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:27,510
washed it and it was the most amazing

1873
01:21:33,050 --> 01:21:30,690
footage there was this light that showed

1874
01:21:34,910 --> 01:21:33,060
up over the mountain and then all of a

1875
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:34,920
sudden or first it comes down from the

1876
01:21:39,740 --> 01:21:37,770
sky and stops and then glows and then

1877
01:21:42,050 --> 01:21:39,750
another light comes down from this from

1878
01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:42,060
the top and then it kind of docks with

1879
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:44,400
that light and then another light comes

1880
01:21:49,810 --> 01:21:46,050
down and docks with it another until it

1881
01:21:53,780 --> 01:21:49,820
fell like six lights full form this

1882
01:21:57,050 --> 01:21:53,790
flower looking thing and and then it

1883
01:21:58,880 --> 01:21:57,060
like goes out totally goes out and I and

1884
01:22:01,490 --> 01:21:58,890
I'm thinking in my head like the first

1885
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:01,500
thing I thought in my mind was this is

1886
01:22:06,350 --> 01:22:03,330
this isn't the most incredible footage

1887
01:22:09,590 --> 01:22:06,360
I've ever seen and this looks real this

1888
01:22:12,530 --> 01:22:09,600
looks like a real video and so right

1889
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:12,540
away he had me going plus I apparently a

1890
01:22:16,850 --> 01:22:14,400
you know I'd been friends with them for

1891
01:22:18,650 --> 01:22:16,860
a few months after knowing the guy and

1892
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:18,660
trusting them because because this site

1893
01:22:27,170 --> 01:22:21,120
had UFO videos all over and I trusted

1894
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:27,180
the guy you know and so my second

1895
01:22:31,340 --> 01:22:29,130
thoughts were wait a minute how does

1896
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:31,350
this guy come into town in two days get

1897
01:22:37,370 --> 01:22:34,080
the most incredible UFO footage in the

1898
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:37,380
state of Arizona and I didn't I was like

1899
01:22:40,970 --> 01:22:38,730
this can't be there's something wrong

1900
01:22:42,500 --> 01:22:40,980
with this I mean I want to believe it I

1901
01:22:46,490 --> 01:22:42,510
want to trust the guy but at the same

1902
01:22:48,020 --> 01:22:46,500
time my you know my my brain saying this

1903
01:22:50,570 --> 01:22:48,030
isn't this is there's something wrong

1904
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:50,580
with this picture here and so I knew

1905
01:22:58,430 --> 01:22:54,210
what to do okay we have Jim Daly COSO

1906
01:23:00,290 --> 01:22:58,440
and Phoenix Arizona and the Arizona news

1907
01:23:01,879 --> 01:23:00,300
channels they have him in their in their

1908
01:23:04,129 --> 01:23:01,889
back pocket they can use him whenever

1909
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:04,139
they want so I told him you know what

1910
01:23:08,540 --> 01:23:06,480
you need to do Brian you need to take

1911
01:23:10,939 --> 01:23:08,550
this tape you need to go directly to

1912
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:10,949
channel 3 and you need to put this on TV

1913
01:23:15,890 --> 01:23:13,920
and so I slowly set him up yeah I had

1914
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:15,900
him go down there with the tape I knew

1915
01:23:19,939 --> 01:23:17,130
they were gonna pull Jim out of the

1916
01:23:22,070 --> 01:23:19,949
woodwork and they did the first day and

1917
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:22,080
they did the broadcast on his amazing

1918
01:23:26,780 --> 01:23:23,760
footage with the guy and did an

1919
01:23:30,169 --> 01:23:26,790
interview with them and then they they

1920
01:23:32,899 --> 01:23:30,179
sent him packing and then they called in

1921
01:23:35,419 --> 01:23:32,909
Jim to do a second follow up on the

1922
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:35,429
story to analyze the footage and Jim

1923
01:23:41,300 --> 01:23:37,770
blew it apart and found out it was

1924
01:23:43,550 --> 01:23:41,310
designed by a computer program and they

1925
01:23:45,740 --> 01:23:43,560
called the guy in for the interview the

1926
01:23:48,860 --> 01:23:45,750
second interview to come together with

1927
01:23:50,780 --> 01:23:48,870
Jim so Jim can confront him on the video

1928
01:23:51,890 --> 01:23:50,790
being fake and all the stuff and the guy

1929
01:23:55,010 --> 01:23:51,900
never showed up

1930
01:23:56,780 --> 01:23:55,020
so they totally yeah they totally took

1931
01:23:58,370 --> 01:23:56,790
it apart as a hoax and they in Jim

1932
01:24:00,950 --> 01:23:58,380
showed why it was a hoax on this

1933
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:00,960
computer and and how it was generated

1934
01:24:04,220 --> 01:24:02,489
how the lights were generated and stuff

1935
01:24:07,100 --> 01:24:04,230
like by a computer program and all this

1936
01:24:09,169 --> 01:24:07,110
and so by this time it was blowing up on

1937
01:24:13,010 --> 01:24:09,179
coast to coast I am and on Jeff wrens

1938
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:13,020
show and the footage was already blown

1939
01:24:17,930 --> 01:24:15,210
up because of the first broadcast on the

1940
01:24:21,500 --> 01:24:17,940
news as well as being on his website and

1941
01:24:23,090 --> 01:24:21,510
then like later the second part comes

1942
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:23,100
out to it being a hoax and then it

1943
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:26,370
really blew up it went crazy and so then

1944
01:24:32,149 --> 01:24:28,800
he now he's mad at me because he knows I

1945
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:32,159
set him up to get you know for us to

1946
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:33,840
find out what's going on here and we

1947
01:24:38,270 --> 01:24:36,090
found out it was a hoax so like a couple

1948
01:24:40,700 --> 01:24:38,280
weeks about a week later he finally

1949
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:40,710
admits it he does an expose on a site

1950
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:42,239
where he admits the whole thing as a

1951
01:24:46,669 --> 01:24:44,489
hoax and why he did it and then after

1952
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:46,679
that the website goes offline it totally

1953
01:24:50,810 --> 01:24:49,650
disappears and then a couple months

1954
01:24:53,690 --> 01:24:50,820
later you know as

1955
01:24:55,790 --> 01:24:53,700
checking the domain name all of a sudden

1956
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:55,800
the domain is parked and now it's owned

1957
01:25:01,670 --> 01:24:59,280
by somebody else and then now we look at

1958
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:01,680
like 10 years later all of a sudden ten

1959
01:25:06,140 --> 01:25:03,930
years later the website comes back

1960
01:25:09,500 --> 01:25:06,150
online as you know it comes back online

1961
01:25:13,310 --> 01:25:09,510
UFO theater calm and now this websites

1962
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:13,320
dedicated to exposing hoaxes and they

1963
01:25:19,310 --> 01:25:15,570
have a list of people that are hoaxing

1964
01:25:22,910 --> 01:25:19,320
that it's a secured team ten third phase

1965
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:22,920
of the Moon and this is this guy that is

1966
01:25:27,740 --> 01:25:25,440
running the site now yeah I'd like when

1967
01:25:29,180 --> 01:25:27,750
it first popped up I was really blown

1968
01:25:31,100 --> 01:25:29,190
away I was like are you kidding me

1969
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:31,110
is this guy back and now he's gonna

1970
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:34,110
dedicate his ufology to exposing hoaxes

1971
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:37,050
after he was the hoaxer and it turned

1972
01:25:40,190 --> 01:25:38,610
out that that wasn't the case it was

1973
01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:40,200
turned out that this guy bought that

1974
01:25:44,570 --> 01:25:42,480
domain only about the he knew about the

1975
01:25:46,610 --> 01:25:44,580
shady past of the domain and he was

1976
01:25:49,460 --> 01:25:46,620
going to try to make it good by by

1977
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:49,470
making this domain dedicated to just

1978
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:51,930
exposing hoaxes and so you know I had a

1979
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:54,000
little chat with him and I was

1980
01:25:57,770 --> 01:25:55,410
completely blown away and that's when I

1981
01:26:00,650 --> 01:25:57,780
learned that yeah for third phase the

1982
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:00,660
moon and secure team ten there's a

1983
01:26:04,190 --> 01:26:02,730
couple other ones on there that that

1984
01:26:06,500 --> 01:26:04,200
they claim are hoaxes and all these

1985
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:06,510
videos you know and that's the sad part

1986
01:26:10,700 --> 01:26:08,610
it's like what if some of these videos

1987
01:26:13,150 --> 01:26:10,710
aren't hoax because people see him on

1988
01:26:17,810 --> 01:26:13,160
YouTube and send their real video to him

1989
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:17,820
yeah you know that's that's so true now

1990
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:20,850
what was his statement of why he hopes

1991
01:26:27,410 --> 01:26:23,120
that video before his website went down

1992
01:26:30,740 --> 01:26:27,420
well his his his whole thing on his ex

1993
01:26:34,010 --> 01:26:30,750
his expose that he posted about why he

1994
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:34,020
did it was because he wanted to prove

1995
01:26:42,860 --> 01:26:39,120
that Jeff wrens his website will post

1996
01:26:45,260 --> 01:26:42,870
anything on UFOs without even knowing if

1997
01:26:47,900 --> 01:26:45,270
it's real or not so his his whole thing

1998
01:26:50,690 --> 01:26:47,910
was to attempt to try to discredit the

1999
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:50,700
wrens website and in the Jeff around the

2000
01:26:56,780 --> 01:26:53,730
show that was his immediate goal his

2001
01:27:01,610 --> 01:26:56,790
other goal was also to prove that when

2002
01:27:03,290 --> 01:27:01,620
you buy UFO DVDs online that it could he

2003
01:27:04,430 --> 01:27:03,300
be all fake and that you just wasted

2004
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:04,440
your money and that was

2005
01:27:09,020 --> 01:27:06,480
kind of a shot at me because a lot of us

2006
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:09,030
that we're doing UFOs at the time we

2007
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:11,810
were trying to come out with videotapes

2008
01:27:19,010 --> 01:27:14,850
DVDs to sell with our real footage on it

2009
01:27:21,709 --> 01:27:19,020
so basically it was his way of trying to

2010
01:27:23,390 --> 01:27:21,719
shoot everybody's real footage down by

2011
01:27:25,550 --> 01:27:23,400
saying oh you don't know what you're

2012
01:27:27,470 --> 01:27:25,560
buying now and now you can't trust my

2013
01:27:29,390 --> 01:27:27,480
footage how can you trust anybody else's

2014
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:29,400
so now when you spend 20 bucks on a DVD

2015
01:27:34,340 --> 01:27:31,650
you may be getting completely fake

2016
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:34,350
footage you know and so it seems like

2017
01:27:40,670 --> 01:27:37,650
ever since that case that our sales did

2018
01:27:42,130 --> 01:27:40,680
go down - and I don't want to try - yeah

2019
01:27:45,500 --> 01:27:42,140
I don't want to give him credit for

2020
01:27:47,450 --> 01:27:45,510
dropping DVD sales on UFOs across the

2021
01:27:50,180 --> 01:27:47,460
internet on everybody's website but it's

2022
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:50,190
almost like it's that happen almost

2023
01:27:56,990 --> 01:27:54,090
because his site got like worldwide

2024
01:27:58,760 --> 01:27:57,000
national attention on Ranson on coast to

2025
01:28:01,670 --> 01:27:58,770
coast am at the time and then all of a

2026
01:28:04,430 --> 01:28:01,680
sudden it was proved to be a hoax you

2027
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:04,440
know and so you know if people were

2028
01:28:10,130 --> 01:28:06,930
worried about buying DVDs after that

2029
01:28:13,610 --> 01:28:10,140
point it seemed like yeah yeah there's a

2030
01:28:15,950 --> 01:28:13,620
question up on the message board do you

2031
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:15,960
connect early childhood experiences and

2032
01:28:23,810 --> 01:28:19,850
your ability to have these sightings

2033
01:28:28,459 --> 01:28:23,820
um well at first I did and now I I mean

2034
01:28:30,410 --> 01:28:28,469
I in a way I I do and I don't because I

2035
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:30,420
think that if you've never had a UFO

2036
01:28:36,170 --> 01:28:33,210
sighting or if you've never had a UFO

2037
01:28:38,180 --> 01:28:36,180
alik abduction or alien experience or

2038
01:28:40,550 --> 01:28:38,190
whatever if you've never had either one

2039
01:28:42,590 --> 01:28:40,560
of those I believe that you can still go

2040
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:42,600
out in your backyard during the middle

2041
01:28:46,910 --> 01:28:44,850
of the day and see these things up there

2042
01:28:49,939 --> 01:28:46,920
if you put the time and to look for him

2043
01:28:52,729 --> 01:28:49,949
okay and further in that question do you

2044
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:52,739
have any other paranormal or Hayek's

2045
01:29:00,979 --> 01:28:58,560
high strangeness experiences oh yeah one

2046
01:29:03,770 --> 01:29:00,989
time I

2047
01:29:06,260 --> 01:29:03,780
well I'll just you know the one that

2048
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:06,270
pops to the mind the most was I would

2049
01:29:18,350 --> 01:29:17,300
yeah a 2013 I was it was about maybe

2050
01:29:20,899 --> 01:29:18,360
like 5:00 in the

2051
01:29:22,609 --> 01:29:20,909
afternoon and preseason football had

2052
01:29:25,310 --> 01:29:22,619
just started so I was watching like the

2053
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:25,320
very first preseason football game of

2054
01:29:29,149 --> 01:29:27,449
the year and I remember was like Douw

2055
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:29,159
let's look at someone I can't really

2056
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:31,010
remember who but I remember Dallas and

2057
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:36,570
so I was lying there watching it and for

2058
01:29:40,399 --> 01:29:39,090
some reason I am I don't it's weird

2059
01:29:41,990 --> 01:29:40,409
because of like when you're watching a

2060
01:29:43,879 --> 01:29:42,000
game or watching something on TV that

2061
01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:43,889
you're interested in and all of sudden

2062
01:29:49,939 --> 01:29:47,280
Falls like go into like a half sleep

2063
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:49,949
state doesn't really make sense to me

2064
01:29:54,350 --> 01:29:52,560
like why would I let myself drift off

2065
01:29:56,750 --> 01:29:54,360
like that and so that was kind of weird

2066
01:30:01,070 --> 01:29:56,760
so like all of a sudden I'm in this half

2067
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:01,080
sleep half awake state and all the next

2068
01:30:05,419 --> 01:30:02,730
thing I know I'm completely paralyzed

2069
01:30:09,770 --> 01:30:05,429
I'm into that paralysis again and I

2070
01:30:13,070 --> 01:30:09,780
can't move at all and I am able to force

2071
01:30:15,530 --> 01:30:13,080
my eyelids open that's the only thing I

2072
01:30:17,810 --> 01:30:15,540
could only muscle on my body is that I

2073
01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:17,820
can move as my eyelids so I'm able to

2074
01:30:23,899 --> 01:30:20,880
open them and everything is fuzzy now

2075
01:30:25,550 --> 01:30:23,909
because I'm in this state and I can't

2076
01:30:27,379 --> 01:30:25,560
break out of it but I'm thinking in my

2077
01:30:29,300 --> 01:30:27,389
head well I'm paralyzed and I can't

2078
01:30:31,129 --> 01:30:29,310
break out of this but I can I just

2079
01:30:34,359 --> 01:30:31,139
managed to open my eyelids and I can see

2080
01:30:38,540 --> 01:30:34,369
so I see the TV still on and the fuzzy

2081
01:30:40,129 --> 01:30:38,550
pictures on and mecan't really make out

2082
01:30:44,060 --> 01:30:40,139
the game because I'm in this state and

2083
01:30:47,930 --> 01:30:44,070
all of a sudden I see this what I well

2084
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:47,940
the only way I can describe it is like a

2085
01:30:53,660 --> 01:30:51,570
U shaped like a woman's purse that is

2086
01:30:57,050 --> 01:30:53,670
like you shaped you know what I'm saying

2087
01:30:59,209 --> 01:30:57,060
like a U shaped perks handbag it look

2088
01:31:03,020 --> 01:30:59,219
like it was leather like a like a

2089
01:31:07,100 --> 01:31:03,030
leather texture and it had often like

2090
01:31:08,570 --> 01:31:07,110
octopus tentacles all over it all over

2091
01:31:11,410 --> 01:31:08,580
it it was then they were flipping

2092
01:31:12,590 --> 01:31:11,420
everywhere it had like I'd say like 20

2093
01:31:17,209 --> 01:31:12,600
octopus

2094
01:31:18,530 --> 01:31:17,219
like tentacles maybe you know 12 inches

2095
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:18,540
long each one of them flipping all over

2096
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:20,730
the place that crazy and it was all

2097
01:31:29,030 --> 01:31:24,810
attached to this u-shaped thing and this

2098
01:31:31,490 --> 01:31:29,040
thing was hovering about I'd say this

2099
01:31:32,300 --> 01:31:31,500
thing was literally hovering four feet

2100
01:31:34,850 --> 01:31:32,310
from me

2101
01:31:38,690 --> 01:31:34,860
me on to the left of the side of the bed

2102
01:31:41,990 --> 01:31:38,700
and it was hovering right over a case of

2103
01:31:44,870 --> 01:31:42,000
all of my DVDs all of my UFO footage

2104
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:44,880
that's been dumped onto DVD storage and

2105
01:31:54,230 --> 01:31:48,690
I have like I have this this crate full

2106
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:54,240
of DVDs in spools you know stacks of

2107
01:32:00,740 --> 01:31:55,290
them in there and this thing was

2108
01:32:03,260 --> 01:32:00,750
hovering right over that area and I saw

2109
01:32:04,700 --> 01:32:03,270
it like hovering over it for probably it

2110
01:32:08,930 --> 01:32:04,710
seemed like maybe three or four minutes

2111
01:32:10,340 --> 01:32:08,940
and then it disappeared and as soon as

2112
01:32:13,250 --> 01:32:10,350
it disappeared I was able to break free

2113
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:13,260
of further paralysis and like blink my

2114
01:32:19,070 --> 01:32:16,050
eyes a little bit and rub them and look

2115
01:32:22,010 --> 01:32:19,080
again and see did I just see what I

2116
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:22,020
thought I saw and feel how I just

2117
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:24,330
thought I felt you know right like that

2118
01:32:28,550 --> 01:32:26,250
you know paralyzed and it was like it

2119
01:32:30,260 --> 01:32:28,560
you know the when these things come into

2120
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:30,270
your presence or whatever they are they

2121
01:32:35,930 --> 01:32:33,930
have the ability to turn you off or shut

2122
01:32:38,540 --> 01:32:35,940
you off they an insulin and that is

2123
01:32:40,970 --> 01:32:38,550
described in all the UFO literature in

2124
01:32:43,310 --> 01:32:40,980
all the abduction stuff as well so it's

2125
01:32:45,590 --> 01:32:43,320
not just a sleep what the medical

2126
01:32:47,750 --> 01:32:45,600
community would call it just a sleep

2127
01:32:52,700 --> 01:32:47,760
paralysis where you've hallucinate

2128
01:32:54,170 --> 01:32:52,710
AddThis this is not the case you know

2129
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:54,180
sleep paralysis that's a completely

2130
01:32:59,120 --> 01:32:56,010
different thing that's when you're in

2131
01:33:01,040 --> 01:32:59,130
the awake and asleep state and you

2132
01:33:03,650 --> 01:33:01,050
apparently you can't move or whatever

2133
01:33:05,210 --> 01:33:03,660
but you're not gonna see these things

2134
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:05,220
through you're not gonna be able to open

2135
01:33:09,140 --> 01:33:07,290
up your eyelids and see forms and

2136
01:33:11,420 --> 01:33:09,150
figures and these things doing these

2137
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:11,430
weird things that's you know your brain

2138
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:12,570
doesn't work like that

2139
01:33:17,540 --> 01:33:15,210
you know I'm sorry but it's not gonna

2140
01:33:20,930 --> 01:33:17,550
make up fake stuff just because you're

2141
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:20,940
in a sleep you're half in asleep and

2142
01:33:25,940 --> 01:33:23,250
half awake and it's you know what and

2143
01:33:28,340 --> 01:33:25,950
what does this what does scientists and

2144
01:33:32,870 --> 01:33:28,350
experts know about what sleep paralysis

2145
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:32,880
is anyways right okay you know what I'm

2146
01:33:38,630 --> 01:33:34,010
saying

2147
01:33:39,950 --> 01:33:38,640
right right one of the things that came

2148
01:33:43,480 --> 01:33:39,960
to mind is when you're talking about

2149
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:43,490
that the different objects that you see

2150
01:33:50,460 --> 01:33:45,970
how about orange orbs you heard

2151
01:33:53,460 --> 01:33:50,470
that a lot oh yeah a matter of fact we

2152
01:33:56,700 --> 01:33:53,470
had a case of flap we had what they call

2153
01:33:59,250 --> 01:33:56,710
a UFO flap here between the year 2000 in

2154
01:34:01,590 --> 01:33:59,260
the year 2003 where we had this red or

2155
01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:01,600
orange orb that was showing up in the

2156
01:34:10,140 --> 01:34:06,490
same time same area and and it was like

2157
01:34:13,050 --> 01:34:10,150
video taped by 10 or 12 different people

2158
01:34:14,310 --> 01:34:13,060
over a three-month period and sometimes

2159
01:34:18,060 --> 01:34:14,320
when it would show up but there would be

2160
01:34:20,010 --> 01:34:18,070
two of them like aside my side like not

2161
01:34:23,100 --> 01:34:20,020
close enough to where you would think

2162
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:23,110
that it was one object with two lights

2163
01:34:27,990 --> 01:34:25,930
on the side but far enough away like

2164
01:34:30,030 --> 01:34:28,000
maybe a half a mile in between the

2165
01:34:31,770 --> 01:34:30,040
middle of each of these two things and

2166
01:34:35,100 --> 01:34:31,780
they would travel together at a slow

2167
01:34:36,330 --> 01:34:35,110
speed now a lot of them you know the

2168
01:34:39,990 --> 01:34:36,340
people thought all these are just

2169
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:40,000
Chinese lanterns or it's a road flare

2170
01:34:44,910 --> 01:34:41,890
tied to a Mylar

2171
01:34:46,440 --> 01:34:44,920
or something like that and but it wasn't

2172
01:34:48,990 --> 01:34:46,450
that because when we zoom in on

2173
01:34:54,300 --> 01:34:49,000
high-power there was no smoke there was

2174
01:34:56,550 --> 01:34:54,310
no flickering like candle or flare type

2175
01:34:58,410 --> 01:34:56,560
of flickering it was like a solid glow

2176
01:35:01,310 --> 01:34:58,420
like an orb like you're saying like an

2177
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:01,320
orange or like a glow you know and so

2178
01:35:05,970 --> 01:35:04,210
this went on for like you know on and

2179
01:35:07,980 --> 01:35:05,980
off like there was a good time period

2180
01:35:09,900 --> 01:35:07,990
there for a buddy one thought like the

2181
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:09,910
first summer it happened it this thing

2182
01:35:14,940 --> 01:35:11,770
would show up maybe twice a week it was

2183
01:35:17,130 --> 01:35:14,950
pretty it was pretty punctual on its I

2184
01:35:19,590 --> 01:35:17,140
mean it was pretty consistent but then

2185
01:35:21,210 --> 01:35:19,600
after that summer it dropped off and

2186
01:35:23,790 --> 01:35:21,220
then the next year they would show up

2187
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:23,800
sporadically like maybe once every three

2188
01:35:29,670 --> 01:35:27,250
weeks or something like that so yeah now

2189
01:35:31,980 --> 01:35:29,680
when you're doing this sky watch do you

2190
01:35:32,810 --> 01:35:31,990
always do it alone or sometimes you have

2191
01:35:35,460 --> 01:35:32,820
someone with you

2192
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:35,470
well I normally do it alone unless we do

2193
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:38,050
a group outing or if I have some people

2194
01:35:43,050 --> 01:35:40,210
that want to come by and take you know

2195
01:35:44,850 --> 01:35:43,060
do a sky watch with me what about night

2196
01:35:47,490 --> 01:35:44,860
vision do you ever get into that you I

2197
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:47,500
know you said you filmed at night and it

2198
01:35:51,630 --> 01:35:49,090
was not a boring but do you ever get

2199
01:35:53,940 --> 01:35:51,640
into night vision as well well yeah I

2200
01:35:56,070 --> 01:35:53,950
got it I've gotten into night vision but

2201
01:35:59,460 --> 01:35:56,080
I don't have the equipment mm-hmm

2202
01:36:01,470 --> 01:35:59,470
basically I have I have a Sony camera

2203
01:36:03,690 --> 01:36:01,480
has night shot on it oh yes totally

2204
01:36:07,230 --> 01:36:03,700
which is totally different but it does

2205
01:36:10,550 --> 01:36:07,240
illuminate you know it's pretty good for

2206
01:36:16,620 --> 01:36:10,560
our video can't you know camera quality

2207
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:16,630
right right of all the the footage that

2208
01:36:21,480 --> 01:36:19,090
you've taken or I should say everything

2209
01:36:25,260 --> 01:36:21,490
that you've seen is there something that

2210
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:25,270
stands out is the most remarkable well

2211
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:26,890
yeah there's a couple of them there's a

2212
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:28,930
couple night pieces of footage there's

2213
01:36:33,540 --> 01:36:30,610
just one piece of footage on my side

2214
01:36:35,970 --> 01:36:33,550
that's labeled for twenty two thousand

2215
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:35,980
six and that's when it was shot it was

2216
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:39,010
you know and so what happens with this

2217
01:36:44,370 --> 01:36:41,410
piece of footage was really weird it

2218
01:36:48,270 --> 01:36:44,380
starts out as like two lights two

2219
01:36:51,090 --> 01:36:48,280
wharves at night and they're they're

2220
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:51,100
just two like white orbs like in the

2221
01:36:55,470 --> 01:36:53,530
distance they don't look very far it

2222
01:36:59,040 --> 01:36:55,480
looks like within about a mile away and

2223
01:37:00,600 --> 01:36:59,050
then you see these two orbs for about 30

2224
01:37:02,460 --> 01:37:00,610
seconds and then all of a sudden one

2225
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:02,470
just kind of dims out where there's only

2226
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:05,770
like one and then that one gets kind of

2227
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:08,290
closer and closer and closer and then

2228
01:37:15,030 --> 01:37:10,810
all of a sudden you'll see like it

2229
01:37:16,650 --> 01:37:15,040
shooting orbs out of it like like one at

2230
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:16,660
a time and they're going and it's not

2231
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:18,250
shooting them down and shooting them up

2232
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:21,850
out of the top of it and so these four

2233
01:37:26,340 --> 01:37:24,010
or five lights that come out of it it

2234
01:37:28,830 --> 01:37:26,350
turns into like a triangular shape and

2235
01:37:32,130 --> 01:37:28,840
then the top of where the triangular is

2236
01:37:34,470 --> 01:37:32,140
turns red like flashes like it doesn't

2237
01:37:36,060 --> 01:37:34,480
like flash red it kind of just gets like

2238
01:37:39,450 --> 01:37:36,070
really bright red and then kind of dims

2239
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:39,460
down and then after seeing this for

2240
01:37:45,630 --> 01:37:41,530
about a minute more the whole thing just

2241
01:37:48,270 --> 01:37:45,640
completely shuts off and so yeah it was

2242
01:37:50,730 --> 01:37:48,280
that's a doozy that one and then there

2243
01:37:52,350 --> 01:37:50,740
was another one that a piece of footage

2244
01:37:54,150 --> 01:37:52,360
that I've shot that's on a ton of

2245
01:37:57,120 --> 01:37:54,160
different V on a ton of different

2246
01:37:59,820 --> 01:37:57,130
television programs that I'm on and they

2247
01:38:07,040 --> 01:37:59,830
always loved to use it and it's this one

2248
01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:07,050
was it was I think it was the May 12th

2249
01:38:12,780 --> 01:38:11,170
2005 I believe it is yeah and what

2250
01:38:13,530 --> 01:38:12,790
happens here is it's like a Twilight

2251
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:13,540
shot

2252
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:16,810
and you've probably seen it it was like

2253
01:38:21,270 --> 01:38:19,840
a like almost sunset and you'll see like

2254
01:38:23,910 --> 01:38:21,280
all of a sudden we're doing an interview

2255
01:38:25,590 --> 01:38:23,920
okay this is the funny thing we were we

2256
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:25,600
met with the guy that had been seeing

2257
01:38:31,620 --> 01:38:29,530
some UFO do beautiful UFOs in the area

2258
01:38:33,630 --> 01:38:31,630
and he actually shot his own video of

2259
01:38:35,370 --> 01:38:33,640
some UFO footage that he you know he's

2260
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:35,380
been adding sightings over and over for

2261
01:38:39,300 --> 01:38:37,690
the last couple months and so we meet

2262
01:38:42,060 --> 01:38:39,310
him at the mountain where he's you know

2263
01:38:44,700 --> 01:38:42,070
sees a lot of his footage and we're

2264
01:38:49,110 --> 01:38:44,710
doing an interview and all of a sudden

2265
01:38:51,150 --> 01:38:49,120
it shows up and the funny thing about it

2266
01:38:53,550 --> 01:38:51,160
is is I already had the camera rolling

2267
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:53,560
because we were taping him talking on

2268
01:38:58,620 --> 01:38:56,650
his interview so like we had him on one

2269
01:39:00,510 --> 01:38:58,630
camera we're shooting him on two

2270
01:39:01,860 --> 01:39:00,520
different cameras because we were you

2271
01:39:04,170 --> 01:39:01,870
know we wanted to get the different

2272
01:39:07,650 --> 01:39:04,180
camera angles and so I at the moment

2273
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:07,660
that he's on the one camera and I have

2274
01:39:12,090 --> 01:39:10,210
the other camera I don't have that one

2275
01:39:14,070 --> 01:39:12,100
camera on him because the other camera

2276
01:39:17,790 --> 01:39:14,080
was covering him and I have it just over

2277
01:39:19,470 --> 01:39:17,800
to to the side just a little bit and so

2278
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:19,480
it's not yeah he's not in the view and

2279
01:39:24,450 --> 01:39:21,730
all of a sudden right in the middle of

2280
01:39:26,460 --> 01:39:24,460
the screen of my camera that's already

2281
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:26,470
on record that's where the when the UFO

2282
01:39:31,890 --> 01:39:29,410
shows up right there right it just

2283
01:39:34,890 --> 01:39:31,900
blinked on right in the middle of my my

2284
01:39:38,190 --> 01:39:34,900
camera frame and and as I'm looking I

2285
01:39:40,170 --> 01:39:38,200
see it right away and so like right off

2286
01:39:41,850 --> 01:39:40,180
that bat you hear me I say I got a

2287
01:39:45,420 --> 01:39:41,860
serious the lights I got it I got it and

2288
01:39:48,510 --> 01:39:45,430
so i zoom in on it and it's four lights

2289
01:39:51,750 --> 01:39:48,520
and what's weird what what was bizarre

2290
01:39:54,510 --> 01:39:51,760
is that the light on the far right

2291
01:39:57,630 --> 01:39:54,520
disappears and then a new light appears

2292
01:39:59,850 --> 01:39:57,640
on the far left of the original three

2293
01:40:01,380 --> 01:39:59,860
that were you know on the left-hand side

2294
01:40:03,690 --> 01:40:01,390
of it so this thing appears to be

2295
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:03,700
skipping across sky and now the new

2296
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:06,130
light that's on the right that took its

2297
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:09,250
place disappears and then a new light

2298
01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:10,930
shows up on the left and this happens

2299
01:40:15,090 --> 01:40:13,330
like three or four times on each light

2300
01:40:18,060 --> 01:40:15,100
so it's like skipping across the sky and

2301
01:40:20,790 --> 01:40:18,070
like a weird like ricochet skipping

2302
01:40:27,570 --> 01:40:20,800
pattern deal and it was like really

2303
01:40:32,940 --> 01:40:27,580
weird and there was a like a small like

2304
01:40:35,250 --> 01:40:32,950
like thin cloud above these UFOs and so

2305
01:40:36,450 --> 01:40:35,260
we would be able to tell if it was a

2306
01:40:38,790 --> 01:40:36,460
flare me and dropped from an airplane

2307
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:38,800
because there was no planes above them

2308
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:41,410
dropping anything and so all of a sudden

2309
01:40:46,050 --> 01:40:43,930
these lights disappear and then like two

2310
01:40:48,480 --> 01:40:46,060
seconds later you'll see a light show up

2311
01:40:50,670 --> 01:40:48,490
on the far left and maybe like a mile

2312
01:40:52,860 --> 01:40:50,680
away from the original sequence within

2313
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:52,870
like one second so it's almost like it

2314
01:40:58,230 --> 01:40:55,210
hyper jumped like after it disappeared

2315
01:41:00,870 --> 01:40:58,240
hyper jumped over here and it shows up

2316
01:41:02,850 --> 01:41:00,880
so I got that all on one frame and

2317
01:41:05,010 --> 01:41:02,860
you're probably you know or all on one

2318
01:41:08,340 --> 01:41:05,020
catch and I'm sure you're familiar with

2319
01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:08,350
that piece of footage that I don't know

2320
01:41:12,570 --> 01:41:10,000
if you've seen it but I think so yeah

2321
01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:12,580
yeah it's it's a matter of fact okay so

2322
01:41:17,430 --> 01:41:14,560
after I shot that shoot the footage I

2323
01:41:19,530 --> 01:41:17,440
sent it to art bell immediately that

2324
01:41:21,030 --> 01:41:19,540
same that's very next day or the same

2325
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:21,040
night even I don't know I think it was

2326
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:23,410
the next day or whatever it may have

2327
01:41:27,210 --> 01:41:25,090
been that same night but I believe it

2328
01:41:29,850 --> 01:41:27,220
was the next day I sent an email to him

2329
01:41:32,850 --> 01:41:29,860
and art called me right after I got it

2330
01:41:34,290 --> 01:41:32,860
and I wasn't home but I was home but I

2331
01:41:36,690 --> 01:41:34,300
was in the other room so I didn't hear

2332
01:41:40,260 --> 01:41:36,700
the phone ring so the answer machine got

2333
01:41:42,300 --> 01:41:40,270
it and so I knew someone called so I was

2334
01:41:44,730 --> 01:41:42,310
I went out there to I press play and I

2335
01:41:48,270 --> 01:41:44,740
hear art on the on the voicemail he was

2336
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:48,280
saying st. Jeff this is our Bell calling

2337
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:51,850
you are you there and then he's then he

2338
01:41:58,830 --> 01:41:54,130
says are you there and then he says

2339
01:42:01,920 --> 01:41:58,840
hello Jeff Thanks I was like oh gosh and

2340
01:42:03,690 --> 01:42:01,930
so I know that voice yeah yeah so I call

2341
01:42:05,670 --> 01:42:03,700
him back and he's like you want you

2342
01:42:07,140 --> 01:42:05,680
ready to go on the air with this I was

2343
01:42:12,060 --> 01:42:07,150
like yeah of course

2344
01:42:14,820 --> 01:42:12,070
Wow and so I was cool so after that you

2345
01:42:17,700 --> 01:42:14,830
know show featured that piece of footage

2346
01:42:20,250 --> 01:42:17,710
I got calls from sci-fi channel they

2347
01:42:23,370 --> 01:42:20,260
wanted to put me on factor factor fake

2348
01:42:26,190 --> 01:42:23,380
so I was on the very first episode

2349
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:26,200
if season 1 episode 1 of fact or faked

2350
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:28,480
oh yeah where yes and that's where that

2351
01:42:32,670 --> 01:42:31,210
yeah and so that's one of the shows

2352
01:42:34,830 --> 01:42:32,680
where you probably saw that piece of

2353
01:42:37,140 --> 01:42:34,840
footage and what they even did was in

2354
01:42:39,780 --> 01:42:37,150
that first season a factor faked

2355
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:39,790
they actually incorporated my piece of

2356
01:42:43,740 --> 01:42:41,290
footage into the beguine

2357
01:42:45,390 --> 01:42:43,750
sequence of the opening of the show

2358
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:45,400
right like you'll see a bunch of

2359
01:42:49,010 --> 01:42:46,570
different footage and then you'll see

2360
01:42:51,480 --> 01:42:49,020
mine there and you'll hear my voice and

2361
01:42:53,250 --> 01:42:51,490
so that was kind of cool and so what

2362
01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:53,260
they did was as they tried to fake the

2363
01:42:58,170 --> 01:42:55,210
footage to see if they can duplicate it

2364
01:42:59,850 --> 01:42:58,180
and it didn't work yeah and so so then

2365
01:43:01,530 --> 01:42:59,860
they tried another experiment where they

2366
01:43:04,260 --> 01:43:01,540
tried to fake it and it didn't work and

2367
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:04,270
so their third attempt was to have a

2368
01:43:09,390 --> 01:43:06,730
nighttime investigation and during that

2369
01:43:12,150 --> 01:43:09,400
nighttime investigation they had a UFO

2370
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:12,160
sighting in the same place where I had

2371
01:43:17,370 --> 01:43:14,050
mine so kind of backed up my story and

2372
01:43:19,620 --> 01:43:17,380
then on top of that they took my voice

2373
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:19,630
which I didn't know they were gonna do

2374
01:43:25,530 --> 01:43:23,290
they took an audio clip of my voice when

2375
01:43:28,020 --> 01:43:25,540
I was describing what I saw and what my

2376
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:28,030
sighting and they took that that my

2377
01:43:33,060 --> 01:43:31,090
voice and they put it in a test which

2378
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:33,070
the Sheriff's Department uses which is a

2379
01:43:40,230 --> 01:43:36,850
voice test it's a stress test analysis

2380
01:43:42,390 --> 01:43:40,240
and this will prove whether all your a

2381
01:43:44,610 --> 01:43:42,400
person's voice is telling the truth or

2382
01:43:46,910 --> 01:43:44,620
they're lying or whatever and I passed

2383
01:43:49,350 --> 01:43:46,920
on flying colors that my story was real

2384
01:43:51,420 --> 01:43:49,360
and so they showed that at the end of

2385
01:43:53,970 --> 01:43:51,430
the clip of the factor fake two they

2386
01:43:56,550 --> 01:43:53,980
said not only did we not war and we not

2387
01:43:58,230 --> 01:43:56,560
able to duplicate what he shot but we

2388
01:44:00,180 --> 01:43:58,240
had our own sighting that night during

2389
01:44:03,570 --> 01:44:00,190
our night investigation and on top of

2390
01:44:05,700 --> 01:44:03,580
that our analysis on his story comes out

2391
01:44:09,690 --> 01:44:05,710
conclusive that he told the truth

2392
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:09,700
I remember that whole episode yeah I've

2393
01:44:15,660 --> 01:44:12,970
watched them all yeah and so they also

2394
01:44:18,090 --> 01:44:15,670
used the footage that same clip they

2395
01:44:20,300 --> 01:44:18,100
used it on the opening of that movie

2396
01:44:22,890 --> 01:44:20,310
race to Witch Mountain with the rock and

2397
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:22,900
at the beginning of that movie race

2398
01:44:26,190 --> 01:44:24,610
twitch Mountain they have a bunch of UFO

2399
01:44:28,500 --> 01:44:26,200
clips at the very beginning of the movie

2400
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:28,510
and they sandwiched that one in with

2401
01:44:35,010 --> 01:44:30,850
about five or six other ones that I had

2402
01:44:37,530 --> 01:44:35,020
shot so they basically licensed maybe

2403
01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:37,540
five or six shots from me to go into the

2404
01:44:41,610 --> 01:44:39,760
opening sequence sandwiched in with

2405
01:44:43,770 --> 01:44:41,620
about 50 other clips that other people

2406
01:44:46,710 --> 01:44:43,780
shot and they odd that and that same

2407
01:44:53,490 --> 01:44:46,720
clip was also used on on another show

2408
01:44:55,290 --> 01:44:53,500
that I was on called it was called it

2409
01:44:58,680 --> 01:44:55,300
was on it was a sci-fi show

2410
01:45:00,990 --> 01:44:58,690
and it featured the son of Gilligan from

2411
01:45:05,130 --> 01:45:01,000
Gilligan's Island the son of him his

2412
01:45:08,190 --> 01:45:05,140
name's Patrick Denver and this show this

2413
01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:08,200
show was called X testers I don't know

2414
01:45:13,470 --> 01:45:10,480
if you're it only remit was like four

2415
01:45:16,380 --> 01:45:13,480
episodes they they recorded I think they

2416
01:45:18,990 --> 01:45:16,390
did like eight episodes but they like

2417
01:45:20,490 --> 01:45:19,000
they released the first four shows and I

2418
01:45:22,170 --> 01:45:20,500
guess I didn't get enough watches so the

2419
01:45:25,380 --> 01:45:22,180
rest of the episodes were shelved or

2420
01:45:27,570 --> 01:45:25,390
whatever and this ran on Discovery

2421
01:45:30,330 --> 01:45:27,580
Channel and so it was on that show and

2422
01:45:35,340 --> 01:45:30,340
then it was also on ancient aliens

2423
01:45:37,710 --> 01:45:35,350
showed a clip of it and a few other

2424
01:45:40,770 --> 01:45:37,720
shows I think best evidence caught on

2425
01:45:44,040 --> 01:45:40,780
tape the bob caveat special that was on

2426
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:44,050
that show as well and so yeah it's been

2427
01:45:48,660 --> 01:45:45,730
on a ton of demo really made the rounds

2428
01:45:52,580 --> 01:45:48,670
oh yeah Shane has a couple questions on

2429
01:45:54,990 --> 01:45:52,590
the message board for you do you ever

2430
01:46:00,240 --> 01:45:55,000
capture things that you would consider

2431
01:46:02,160 --> 01:46:00,250
might be military technology yeah all

2432
01:46:03,660 --> 01:46:02,170
the time a lot of the ones well let's

2433
01:46:06,270 --> 01:46:03,670
see that's the thing there's a lot of

2434
01:46:08,370 --> 01:46:06,280
times when you videotape what you think

2435
01:46:11,370 --> 01:46:08,380
is like you know those hockey puck

2436
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:11,380
shaped UFOs or the round orb ones the

2437
01:46:20,660 --> 01:46:14,850
daylight ones like a lot of the metallic

2438
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:20,670
a lot of the metallic high altitude

2439
01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:23,440
stuff that falls into that category like

2440
01:46:27,810 --> 01:46:25,690
hockey puck shaped orb shape that's up

2441
01:46:30,210 --> 01:46:27,820
there a lot of that could fall into that

2442
01:46:35,250 --> 01:46:30,220
category as some type of military probe

2443
01:46:37,380 --> 01:46:35,260
or a military vehicle secret project or

2444
01:46:39,450 --> 01:46:37,390
something because you know when it's

2445
01:46:41,610 --> 01:46:39,460
that high up you can't really tell how

2446
01:46:44,700 --> 01:46:41,620
big it is and the all's you really have

2447
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:44,710
is like an estimation of like you think

2448
01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:47,410
to yourself like you know if I parked in

2449
01:46:52,500 --> 01:46:50,050
a parking lot and I walked a couple like

2450
01:46:54,930 --> 01:46:52,510
five hundred feet away from my car and

2451
01:46:56,520 --> 01:46:54,940
look at it it's gonna be tiny it's gonna

2452
01:46:58,590 --> 01:46:56,530
be you can like take your two fingers

2453
01:47:01,290 --> 01:46:58,600
and like kind of put it in between them

2454
01:47:02,700 --> 01:47:01,300
and kind of measure it that way and you

2455
01:47:04,590 --> 01:47:02,710
have to do the same thing with something

2456
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:04,600
way way high up in the sky you know like

2457
01:47:08,220 --> 01:47:06,850
on like a 747 or a plane it's gonna look

2458
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:08,230
tiny up there but when you're standing

2459
01:47:13,020 --> 01:47:09,610
right next to it at the airport you

2460
01:47:14,550 --> 01:47:13,030
so you got to kind of figure out the you

2461
01:47:17,879 --> 01:47:14,560
know dimensions of these things and it

2462
01:47:19,770 --> 01:47:17,889
could be hard when they're so high but

2463
01:47:23,970 --> 01:47:19,780
that's how you rule out that it can't be

2464
01:47:26,399 --> 01:47:23,980
a balloon or a you know a cotton ball or

2465
01:47:28,109 --> 01:47:26,409
something high up there because if it's

2466
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:28,119
that high you're not going to be able to

2467
01:47:31,740 --> 01:47:30,010
see a tiny you know something that's

2468
01:47:33,870 --> 01:47:31,750
small you know it's gonna be like a

2469
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:33,880
little pin dot up there compared to

2470
01:47:37,439 --> 01:47:35,770
these other things that are bigger so

2471
01:47:40,410 --> 01:47:37,449
this thing has to be the size of a

2472
01:47:42,629 --> 01:47:40,420
suburban or three cars put together or

2473
01:47:44,580 --> 01:47:42,639
something like that you know so anything

2474
01:47:46,890 --> 01:47:44,590
in that range that's bigger that you

2475
01:47:48,330 --> 01:47:46,900
would conceive of when you're looking at

2476
01:47:50,700 --> 01:47:48,340
it is this thing is bigger than a

2477
01:47:53,459 --> 01:47:50,710
balloon you know anything like that

2478
01:47:56,580 --> 01:47:53,469
could be you know it's fair game for

2479
01:47:57,959 --> 01:47:56,590
military you know secret projects or the

2480
01:47:59,340 --> 01:47:57,969
extra-terrestrial UFO

2481
01:48:01,260 --> 01:47:59,350
you know you really don't know I mean

2482
01:48:03,060 --> 01:48:01,270
unless the thing lands and people get

2483
01:48:04,350 --> 01:48:03,070
out and this you know our aliens get out

2484
01:48:07,859 --> 01:48:04,360
or whatever that's the only way you're

2485
01:48:10,709 --> 01:48:07,869
gonna ever know now Shane also asked if

2486
01:48:13,709 --> 01:48:10,719
you ever considered streaming your sky

2487
01:48:16,590 --> 01:48:13,719
watching I wonder if you could do that

2488
01:48:20,970 --> 01:48:16,600
but it seems like that there's so much

2489
01:48:23,490 --> 01:48:20,980
downtime that you can't well we did we

2490
01:48:26,689 --> 01:48:23,500
have done it and we did do it

2491
01:48:29,399 --> 01:48:26,699
but a way you know and you're right it's

2492
01:48:31,950 --> 01:48:29,409
it is there is a little a lot of time

2493
01:48:33,930 --> 01:48:31,960
down time but that during the point that

2494
01:48:37,050 --> 01:48:33,940
we were doing it it was during that flap

2495
01:48:39,330 --> 01:48:37,060
that that you know the UFO was you know

2496
01:48:42,780 --> 01:48:39,340
coming like 2 or 3 times a week so we

2497
01:48:45,300 --> 01:48:42,790
knew between 7:30 at 9 o'clock this

2498
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:45,310
thing's going to show up 3 days out of

2499
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:46,690
the week you know this thing was very

2500
01:48:51,660 --> 01:48:48,250
consistent so that's when we were doing

2501
01:48:53,609 --> 01:48:51,670
our lives casts and you know as soon as

2502
01:48:55,530 --> 01:48:53,619
the flap stopped we stopped doing the

2503
01:48:59,220 --> 01:48:55,540
sky watches because it's like you said

2504
01:49:01,140 --> 01:48:59,230
it's just you know just it be just like

2505
01:49:02,910 --> 01:49:01,150
staring and looking at you know four

2506
01:49:05,430 --> 01:49:02,920
hours at nothing until finally something

2507
01:49:07,379 --> 01:49:05,440
showed up so in place of that doing the

2508
01:49:08,939 --> 01:49:07,389
live sky watchers now we'll do the live

2509
01:49:10,500 --> 01:49:08,949
sky watchers again if we run into

2510
01:49:12,209 --> 01:49:10,510
another flap where the things coming

2511
01:49:14,250 --> 01:49:12,219
back over and over and over we'll try to

2512
01:49:16,709 --> 01:49:14,260
get it alive but see what we've done

2513
01:49:19,379 --> 01:49:16,719
instead of that because if you go to

2514
01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:19,389
UFOs or Phoenix comm my website you'll

2515
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:22,239
see Sky Watch cameras that are live that

2516
01:49:26,549 --> 01:49:23,050
are there

2517
01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:26,559
and these are these are cameras that are

2518
01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:28,960
set up around Phoenix that are

2519
01:49:33,359 --> 01:49:31,449
broadcasting live and I've just put the

2520
01:49:35,819 --> 01:49:33,369
direct links on my website so if you

2521
01:49:38,459 --> 01:49:35,829
click it the camera box will open up and

2522
01:49:41,129 --> 01:49:38,469
you'll get to see a live video of four

2523
01:49:43,979 --> 01:49:41,139
or five different cams around Phoenix

2524
01:49:45,660 --> 01:49:43,989
and so they're there they're connected

2525
01:49:47,669 --> 01:49:45,670
with other websites but we put him on

2526
01:49:49,290 --> 01:49:47,679
our website so you don't have to go to

2527
01:49:50,910 --> 01:49:49,300
the other website to open them you just

2528
01:49:52,799 --> 01:49:50,920
click the camera it opens right on our

2529
01:49:54,569 --> 01:49:52,809
website like it's our own cameras all

2530
01:49:57,030 --> 01:49:54,579
over the way all over the valley you

2531
01:49:59,129 --> 01:49:57,040
know and so and you know that's thought

2532
01:50:01,049 --> 01:49:59,139
that what we've done for live sky

2533
01:50:03,990 --> 01:50:01,059
watching cameras that we is we've put

2534
01:50:06,660 --> 01:50:04,000
some some Mountain cameras up there from

2535
01:50:08,129 --> 01:50:06,670
Phoenix different Phoenix live sources

2536
01:50:10,290 --> 01:50:08,139
uh-huh I see

2537
01:50:15,620 --> 01:50:10,300
now have you ever thought about using

2538
01:50:19,140 --> 01:50:15,630
any other type of equipment along in

2539
01:50:21,950 --> 01:50:19,150
concert with video in other words some

2540
01:50:24,990 --> 01:50:21,960
type of detection or anything like that

2541
01:50:28,109 --> 01:50:25,000
well yeah I mean well you know I've

2542
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:28,119
thought about it a lot but you know what

2543
01:50:31,290 --> 01:50:30,010
you know we don't really you know look

2544
01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:31,300
we don't even have the money really to

2545
01:50:36,810 --> 01:50:33,520
get night vision you know really so

2546
01:50:39,530 --> 01:50:36,820
we're running on you know a shoestring

2547
01:50:42,330 --> 01:50:39,540
budget and like on our website we have

2548
01:50:44,100 --> 01:50:42,340
you know we have a donate button there

2549
01:50:46,470 --> 01:50:44,110
for people that want to help us you know

2550
01:50:49,589 --> 01:50:46,480
to donate money to help us keep our our

2551
01:50:51,629 --> 01:50:49,599
footage on the line our website it's

2552
01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:51,639
going in all of our you know hosting

2553
01:50:55,950 --> 01:50:54,250
paid for and like I was telling you

2554
01:50:57,689 --> 01:50:55,960
before we had our movies streams up

2555
01:51:00,950 --> 01:50:57,699
there live that people can like watch

2556
01:51:03,810 --> 01:51:00,960
him but we didn't get enough for that

2557
01:51:05,609 --> 01:51:03,820
enough watches to keep it on you know to

2558
01:51:08,660 --> 01:51:05,619
keep it hosted but instead we have our

2559
01:51:11,189 --> 01:51:08,670
DVDs on there where if you buy a DVD

2560
01:51:13,350 --> 01:51:11,199
there you know they're they're like 20

2561
01:51:15,959 --> 01:51:13,360
bucks if you buy one you'll get the DVD

2562
01:51:17,910 --> 01:51:15,969
and it only cost you know probably like

2563
01:51:19,500 --> 01:51:17,920
you know three dollars to ship it and

2564
01:51:22,109 --> 01:51:19,510
then it cost me probably another five

2565
01:51:25,189 --> 01:51:22,119
bucks to make it so whatever profit I

2566
01:51:28,680 --> 01:51:25,199
have leftover goes to hosting or goes to

2567
01:51:30,930 --> 01:51:28,690
new equipment or you know I have a can I

2568
01:51:32,600 --> 01:51:30,940
have a high eight camera it still takes

2569
01:51:35,609 --> 01:51:32,610
high eight tapes you know I have the old

2570
01:51:36,990 --> 01:51:35,619
one and then I have a brand new camera

2571
01:51:39,090 --> 01:51:37,000
that is a hard drive

2572
01:51:41,940 --> 01:51:39,100
camera so it captures everything on the

2573
01:51:43,350 --> 01:51:41,950
cameras memory like a computer and then

2574
01:51:45,270 --> 01:51:43,360
you can dump it on your computer later

2575
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:45,280
so I have the best of the new stuff and

2576
01:51:49,500 --> 01:51:47,050
I have the best of the the old stuff but

2577
01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:49,510
you know what you know I'd love to get

2578
01:51:55,730 --> 01:51:53,170
some night-vision telescopes you know a

2579
01:51:58,320 --> 01:51:55,740
night-vision cameras a night-vision

2580
01:52:00,150 --> 01:51:58,330
stuff and you know you know if I had a

2581
01:52:02,070 --> 01:52:00,160
bunch of money I would be able to dump

2582
01:52:06,930 --> 01:52:02,080
more money into it and you know they

2583
01:52:08,310 --> 01:52:06,940
have these UFO detective detectors and

2584
01:52:11,430 --> 01:52:08,320
stuff like they have all sorts of

2585
01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:11,440
strange stuff on the internet now now

2586
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:13,930
there's actually some some people really

2587
01:52:20,010 --> 01:52:16,810
looking deeply into doing that we had a

2588
01:52:23,130 --> 01:52:20,020
talk last week about that someone posted

2589
01:52:26,820 --> 01:52:23,140
on the Skype message board that if you

2590
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:26,830
watch eBay you can pick up some night

2591
01:52:32,670 --> 01:52:29,890
vision as low as $200 if you keep your

2592
01:52:35,460 --> 01:52:32,680
eye on eBay someone else on the other

2593
01:52:37,350 --> 01:52:35,470
message board wants to know is this a

2594
01:52:39,060 --> 01:52:37,360
full-time thing you do or do you

2595
01:52:41,100 --> 01:52:39,070
actually have a job where you work and

2596
01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:41,110
then you do this like as a passion hobby

2597
01:52:47,220 --> 01:52:45,040
type thing yeah I do it you know I have

2598
01:52:49,710 --> 01:52:47,230
a job I have to keep you know I have

2599
01:52:51,480 --> 01:52:49,720
like a like a part-time job it you know

2600
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:51,490
it pays some of the bills and stuff and

2601
01:52:57,690 --> 01:52:54,010
then I I do this

2602
01:53:00,270 --> 01:52:57,700
you know I would say this is kind of

2603
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:00,280
like a part-time job in itself you know

2604
01:53:03,810 --> 01:53:01,930
I could make it full-time you know I

2605
01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:03,820
could spend more time

2606
01:53:08,490 --> 01:53:06,130
you know uploading more videos making

2607
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:08,500
the website you know better you know I

2608
01:53:14,940 --> 01:53:11,290
could spend like eight hours a day on

2609
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:14,950
the web sites alone you know and making

2610
01:53:19,140 --> 01:53:17,050
them better and do putting more stuff on

2611
01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:19,150
there and managing them and stuff like

2612
01:53:24,330 --> 01:53:21,250
that but I just don't have the time so I

2613
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:24,340
have have to you know dedicate you know

2614
01:53:28,470 --> 01:53:26,650
a couple hours a week doing the websites

2615
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:28,480
and a few hours a week doing sky

2616
01:53:33,420 --> 01:53:31,570
watching and then a few hours you know

2617
01:53:34,980 --> 01:53:33,430
you have Facebook feeds where you have

2618
01:53:37,860 --> 01:53:34,990
to upload stuff to and all this other

2619
01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:37,870
stuff so it becomes a full-time job you

2620
01:53:43,710 --> 01:53:41,770
know right right yeah and we talked

2621
01:53:46,500 --> 01:53:43,720
earlier before the show just for a

2622
01:53:48,030 --> 01:53:46,510
couple minutes and this is not the type

2623
01:53:49,130 --> 01:53:48,040
of field you want to get into if you

2624
01:53:50,850 --> 01:53:49,140
want to make a lot of money

2625
01:53:53,100 --> 01:53:50,860
right and that's why

2626
01:53:54,840 --> 01:53:53,110
saying I mean if everybody listening

2627
01:53:56,790 --> 01:53:54,850
like like you were saying like UFO

2628
01:53:59,669 --> 01:53:56,800
people don't like to spend money on non

2629
01:54:02,010 --> 01:53:59,679
UFO stuff you know or they don't like to

2630
01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:02,020
spend a lot of money so you know and I

2631
01:54:07,500 --> 01:54:04,810
know that and and I you know if you love

2632
01:54:09,450 --> 01:54:07,510
UFOs and you want to keep seeing us put

2633
01:54:12,149 --> 01:54:09,460
them on our website and you want to do

2634
01:54:14,100 --> 01:54:12,159
something to help the field out you know

2635
01:54:16,140 --> 01:54:14,110
I'd say everybody listening you know I

2636
01:54:18,750 --> 01:54:16,150
mean if he can just at least like just

2637
01:54:20,879 --> 01:54:18,760
donate like a dollar to us like you know

2638
01:54:23,490 --> 01:54:20,889
I mean that would if people don't look

2639
01:54:25,229 --> 01:54:23,500
at it oh you know if I donate a dollar

2640
01:54:26,939 --> 01:54:25,239
it's not going to do anything yeah but

2641
01:54:28,890 --> 01:54:26,949
like if two or three hundred people just

2642
01:54:32,189 --> 01:54:28,900
donated a dollar we would have the money

2643
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:32,199
to reactivate our movie streams and put

2644
01:54:36,899 --> 01:54:35,050
them back up we would be able to pay for

2645
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:36,909
all of our hosting we would be able to

2646
01:54:41,070 --> 01:54:39,850
go buy a night vision camera because see

2647
01:54:43,649 --> 01:54:41,080
at the end of at the end of the month

2648
01:54:45,540 --> 01:54:43,659
all of my money is gonna have to go to

2649
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:45,550
paying my rent and keeping the

2650
01:54:48,930 --> 01:54:47,290
electricity on and paying the water bill

2651
01:54:51,390 --> 01:54:48,940
and stuff like that after that we don't

2652
01:54:54,240 --> 01:54:51,400
have money for UFOs so you know if you

2653
01:54:56,220 --> 01:54:54,250
can donate a buck then we might have

2654
01:54:58,200 --> 01:54:56,230
money at the end of the month well we at

2655
01:54:59,609 --> 01:54:58,210
least have money to reactivate our movie

2656
01:55:01,859 --> 01:54:59,619
streams and put them out there because

2657
01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:01,869
right now all of the video footage of

2658
01:55:06,359 --> 01:55:04,210
UFOs on my website you can download it

2659
01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:06,369
or you can see it on YouTube but we

2660
01:55:11,220 --> 01:55:09,610
actually had our we have like five DVD

2661
01:55:12,959 --> 01:55:11,230
movies that we sell for 20 bucks each

2662
01:55:14,430 --> 01:55:12,969
and we actually had all of those movies

2663
01:55:16,020 --> 01:55:14,440
on our website where you can watch them

2664
01:55:17,669 --> 01:55:16,030
for only a dollar you didn't have to

2665
01:55:19,560 --> 01:55:17,679
spend 20 bucks to get the DVD you can

2666
01:55:21,689 --> 01:55:19,570
just go on there and watch it for a

2667
01:55:24,030 --> 01:55:21,699
dollar but we didn't have enough people

2668
01:55:26,459 --> 01:55:24,040
doing it and to host all those movies

2669
01:55:29,010 --> 01:55:26,469
cost 40 bucks a month and we weren't

2670
01:55:31,950 --> 01:55:29,020
even getting and 40 people to watch them

2671
01:55:34,350 --> 01:55:31,960
to pay for it you know and so you know

2672
01:55:35,729 --> 01:55:34,360
we could just get one person to donate

2673
01:55:37,410 --> 01:55:35,739
the 40 bucks and then we would

2674
01:55:39,300 --> 01:55:37,420
reactivate them for everybody else you

2675
01:55:41,250 --> 01:55:39,310
know so there's a lot of different ways

2676
01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:41,260
that could work but if everybody would

2677
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:43,690
just you know you know like you said can

2678
01:55:48,209 --> 01:55:46,330
little you know just a buck you know at

2679
01:55:50,790 --> 01:55:48,219
their favorite you know their favorite

2680
01:55:52,709 --> 01:55:50,800
people and UFOs and you know everybody's

2681
01:55:55,050 --> 01:55:52,719
got a donation button on their website

2682
01:55:57,149 --> 01:55:55,060
you know so you know everybody can help

2683
01:55:59,399 --> 01:55:57,159
everybody yes

2684
01:56:01,830 --> 01:55:59,409
you know just we only have a couple

2685
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:01,840
minutes left just two minutes left or so

2686
01:56:06,060 --> 01:56:04,690
but I one of the things

2687
01:56:09,180 --> 01:56:06,070
that comes to mind we were talking

2688
01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:09,190
earlier about billy meier and people

2689
01:56:18,630 --> 01:56:13,330
like billy meier third phase of the moon

2690
01:56:21,660 --> 01:56:18,640
secure team 10 all that they're in it

2691
01:56:25,229 --> 01:56:21,670
for the money obviously and you can't

2692
01:56:28,010 --> 01:56:25,239
force ufos in other words they it's a

2693
01:56:31,439 --> 01:56:28,020
fleeting thing it's nothing you can

2694
01:56:34,290 --> 01:56:31,449
captivate to make money on and I think

2695
01:56:36,720 --> 01:56:34,300
people just get frustrated with it and

2696
01:56:39,180 --> 01:56:36,730
decide that they're going to hoax to try

2697
01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:39,190
to make money there's a girl named

2698
01:56:46,470 --> 01:56:42,250
Sheila aliens I can't Sheila Allen I

2699
01:56:50,070 --> 01:56:46,480
think her name is and she she was on my

2700
01:56:52,229 --> 01:56:50,080
show and she confronted she was verbally

2701
01:56:55,470 --> 01:56:52,239
confronting and interviewing I can't

2702
01:56:58,530 --> 01:56:55,480
remember the name of the two brothers on

2703
01:57:00,120 --> 01:56:58,540
third phase of the moon yeah yeah I'm

2704
01:57:01,500 --> 01:57:00,130
familiar with her I've been on a show

2705
01:57:02,910 --> 01:57:01,510
I've been on a couple shows with

2706
01:57:04,979 --> 01:57:02,920
Sheila's oh okay

2707
01:57:06,150 --> 01:57:04,989
suppose she you know basically I think

2708
01:57:08,100 --> 01:57:06,160
she told me that they were making

2709
01:57:10,590 --> 01:57:08,110
several thousand dollars a month by

2710
01:57:12,660 --> 01:57:10,600
those with those fake videos so yeah I I

2711
01:57:15,810 --> 01:57:12,670
saw the interview where she confronted

2712
01:57:17,490 --> 01:57:15,820
those two brothers cousins or whatever

2713
01:57:20,700 --> 01:57:17,500
their names are third phase the moon

2714
01:57:21,930 --> 01:57:20,710
yeah and what they do how they make the

2715
01:57:24,180 --> 01:57:21,940
money is you know where they got that

2716
01:57:27,780 --> 01:57:24,190
fake UFO video on there and then they

2717
01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:27,790
put those ads and banner ads on there

2718
01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:30,690
from you from YouTube you know and then

2719
01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:33,250
after like a million people watch it you

2720
01:57:37,680 --> 01:57:35,650
know that you know that ad pops up a

2721
01:57:40,050 --> 01:57:37,690
million times and that puts ad sent

2722
01:57:42,390 --> 01:57:40,060
money into the tray account and we use

2723
01:57:44,520 --> 01:57:42,400
that sense on our videos too and but our

2724
01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:44,530
videos are real you know and and we're

2725
01:57:49,890 --> 01:57:47,050
just trying to to recoup the money

2726
01:57:52,860 --> 01:57:49,900
that's that we lose on hosting every

2727
01:57:55,530 --> 01:57:52,870
month to try to recoup it and you know

2728
01:57:57,709 --> 01:57:55,540
it's funny because well you know I got

2729
01:58:00,420 --> 01:57:57,719
to tell you we're out of time I tell you

2730
01:58:02,490 --> 01:58:00,430
so real quick throw your your website

2731
01:58:05,430 --> 01:58:02,500
out there if you would yeah it's UFOs

2732
01:58:08,280 --> 01:58:05,440
over Phoenix comm and we got UFOs over

2733
01:58:11,670 --> 01:58:08,290
Phoenix net and we have another website

2734
01:58:12,890 --> 01:58:11,680
called UFO footage dotnet alright Jeff

2735
01:58:14,820 --> 01:58:12,900
thanks so much

2736
01:58:17,100 --> 01:58:14,830
absolutely great it's been great and

2737
01:58:18,629 --> 01:58:17,110
thanks to hopefully will get me on again

2738
01:58:21,239 --> 01:58:18,639
sometime I'll be happy to come on

2739
01:58:24,290 --> 01:58:21,249
all right excellent thanks a lot okay

2740
01:58:27,929 --> 01:58:24,300
everyone so thank you for listening and

2741
01:58:29,580 --> 01:58:27,939
we'll be on next week and I don't have

2742
01:58:31,439 --> 01:58:29,590
the guest secured so I'm not going to

2743
01:58:32,759 --> 01:58:31,449
announce who it is but we'll see you

2744
01:58:33,929 --> 01:58:32,769
here next week and I want to thank

2745
01:58:37,069 --> 01:58:33,939
everyone that helps out with the show

2746
01:58:39,270 --> 01:58:37,079
thank you over at PSN radio as well and